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Whenever an ascetic or brahmin comes to stay, I share what I have as best I can.Once it so happened, sir, that four teachers of different views, beliefs, and opinions came to stay at my guest house.One teacher had this doctrine and view:

‘There’s no meaning in giving, sacrifice, or offerings. There’s no fruit or result of good and bad deeds. There’s no afterlife. There’s no such thing as mother and father, or beings that are reborn spontaneously. And there’s no ascetic or brahmin who is rightly comported and rightly practiced, and who describes the afterlife after realizing it with their own insight.’

One teacher had this doctrine and view:‘There is meaning in giving, sacrifice, and offerings. There are fruits and results of good and bad deeds. There is an afterlife. There are such things as mother and father, and beings that are reborn spontaneously. And there are ascetics and brahmins who are rightly comported and rightly practiced, and who describe the afterlife after realizing it with their own insight.’

One teacher had this doctrine and view:‘The one who acts does nothing wrong when they punish, mutilate, torture, aggrieve, oppress, intimidate, or when they encourage others to do the same. Nothing bad is done when they kill, steal, break into houses, plunder wealth, steal from isolated buildings, commit highway robbery, commit adultery, and lie.If you were to reduce all the living creatures of this earth to one heap and mass of flesh with a razor-edged chakram, no evil comes of that, and no outcome of evil.

If you were to go along the south bank of the Ganges killing, mutilating, and torturing, and encouraging others to do the same, no evil comes of that, and no outcome of evil.If you were to go along the north bank of the Ganges giving and sacrificing and encouraging others to do the same, no merit comes of that, and no outcome of merit.In giving, self-control, restraint, and truthfulness there is no merit or outcome of merit.’

One teacher had this doctrine and view:‘The one who acts does a bad deed when they punish, mutilate, torture, aggrieve, oppress, intimidate, or when they encourage others to do the same. A bad deed is done when they kill, steal, break into houses, plunder wealth, steal from isolated buildings, commit highway robbery, commit adultery, and lie.If you were to reduce all the living creatures of this earth to one heap and mass of flesh with a razor-edged chakram, evil comes of that, and an outcome of evil.

If you were to go along the south bank of the Ganges killing, mutilating, and torturing, and encouraging others to do the same, evil comes of that, and an outcome of evil.If you were to go along the north bank of the Ganges giving and sacrificing and encouraging others to do the same, merit comes of that, and an outcome of merit.In giving, self-control, restraint, and truthfulness there is merit and outcome of merit.’

I had doubt and uncertainty about that:‘I wonder who of these respected ascetics and brahmins speaks the truth, and who speaks falsehood?’”“Chief, no wonder you’re doubting and uncertain.

Doubt has come up in you about an uncertain matter.”“I am quite confident that the Buddha is capable of teaching me so that I can give up this state of uncertainty.”“Chief, there is immersion based on understanding of principle.

If you gain such mental immersion, you can give up that state of uncertainty.And what is immersion based on understanding of principle?It’s when a noble disciple has given up killing living creatures, stealing, sexual misconduct, lying, backbiting, harsh speech, talking nonsense, covetousness, ill will, and wrong view.

Then that noble disciple is rid of desire, rid of ill will, unconfused, aware, and mindful. They meditate spreading a heart full of love to one direction, and to the second, and to the third, and to the fourth. In the same way above, below, across, everywhere, all around, they spread a heart full of love to the whole world—abundant, expansive, limitless, free of enmity and ill will.

They reflect thus:‘That teacher who had this doctrine and view:“There’s no meaning in giving, sacrifice, or offerings. There’s no fruit or result of good and bad deeds. There’s no afterlife. There’s no such thing as mother and father, or beings that are reborn spontaneously. And there’s no ascetic or brahmin who is rightly comported and rightly practiced, and who describes the afterlife after realizing it with their own insight.”

If what this good teacher says is true, it’s a sure bet for me to not hurt any creature firm or frail.I hold a winning hand on both counts, since I’m restrained in body, speech, and mind, and when my body breaks up, after death, I’ll be reborn in a good place, a heavenly realm.’Joy springs up in them.

Being joyful, rapture springs up.When the mind is full of rapture, the body becomes tranquil.When the body is tranquil, they feel bliss.

And when blissful, the mind becomes immersed in samādhi.This is that immersion based on understanding of principle.If you gain such mental immersion, you can give up that state of uncertainty.

Then that noble disciple is rid of desire, rid of ill will, unconfused, aware, and mindful. They meditate spreading a heart full of love to one direction, and to the second, and to the third, and to the fourth. In the same way above, below, across, everywhere, all around, they spread a heart full of love to the whole world—abundant, expansive, limitless, free of enmity and ill will.

They reflect thus:‘That teacher who had this doctrine and view:“There is meaning in giving, sacrifice, and offerings. There are fruits and results of good and bad deeds. There is an afterlife. There are such things as mother and father, and beings that are reborn spontaneously. And there are ascetics and brahmins who are rightly comported and rightly practiced, and who describe the afterlife after realizing it with their own insight.”

If what this good teacher says is true, it’s a sure bet for me to not hurt any creature firm or frail.I hold a winning hand on both counts, since I’m restrained in body, speech, and mind, and when my body breaks up, after death, I’ll be reborn in a good place, a heavenly realm.’Joy springs up in them.

Being joyful, rapture springs up.When the mind is full of rapture, the body becomes tranquil.When the body is tranquil, they feel bliss.

And when blissful, the mind becomes immersed in samādhi.This is that immersion based on understanding of principle.If you gain such mental immersion, you can give up that state of uncertainty.

Then that noble disciple is rid of desire, rid of ill will, unconfused, aware, and mindful. They meditate spreading a heart full of love to one direction, and to the second, and to the third, and to the fourth. In the same way above, below, across, everywhere, all around, they spread a heart full of love to the whole world—abundant, expansive, limitless, free of enmity and ill will.

They reflect thus:‘That teacher who had this doctrine and view:“The one who acts does nothing wrong when they punish, mutilate, torture, aggrieve, oppress, intimidate, or when they encourage others to do the same. Nothing bad is done when they kill, steal, break into houses, plunder wealth, steal from isolated buildings, commit highway robbery, commit adultery, and lie.

If you were to reduce all the living creatures of this earth to one heap and mass of flesh with a razor-edged chakram, no evil comes of that, and no outcome of evil.If you were to go along the south bank of the Ganges killing, mutilating, and torturing, and encouraging others to do the same, no evil comes of that, and no outcome of evil.If you were to go along the north bank of the Ganges giving and sacrificing and encouraging others to do the same, no merit comes of that, and no outcome of merit.

In giving, self-control, restraint, and truthfulness there is no merit or outcome of merit.”If what this good teacher says is true, it’s a sure bet for me to not hurt any creature firm or frail.I hold a winning hand on both counts, since I’m restrained in body, speech, and mind, and when my body breaks up, after death, I’ll be reborn in a good place, a heavenly realm.’

Joy springs up in them.Being joyful, rapture springs up.When the mind is full of rapture, the body becomes tranquil.

When the body is tranquil, they feel bliss.And when blissful, the mind becomes immersed in samādhi.This is that immersion based on understanding of principle.

If you gain such mental immersion, you can give up that state of uncertainty.Then that noble disciple is rid of desire, rid of ill will, unconfused, aware, and mindful. They meditate spreading a heart full of love to one direction, and to the second, and to the third, and to the fourth. In the same way above, below, across, everywhere, all around, they spread a heart full of love to the whole world—abundant, expansive, limitless, free of enmity and ill will.

They reflect thus:‘That teacher who had this doctrine and view:“The one who acts does a bad deed when they punish, mutilate, torture, aggrieve, oppress, intimidate, or when they encourage others to do the same. A bad deed is done when they kill, steal, break into houses, plunder wealth, steal from isolated buildings, commit highway robbery, commit adultery, and lie.

If you were to reduce all the living creatures of this earth to one heap and mass of flesh with a razor-edged chakram, evil comes of that, and an outcome of evil.If you were to go along the south bank of the Ganges killing, mutilating, and torturing, and encouraging others to do the same, evil comes of that, and an outcome of evil.If you were to go along the north bank of the Ganges giving and sacrificing and encouraging others to do the same, merit comes of that, and an outcome of merit.

In giving, self-control, restraint, and truthfulness there is merit and outcome of merit.”If what this good teacher says is true, it’s a sure bet for me to not hurt any creature firm or frail.I hold a winning hand on both counts, since I’m restrained in body, speech, and mind, and when my body breaks up, after death, I’ll be reborn in a good place, a heavenly realm.’

Joy springs up in them.Being joyful, rapture springs up.When the mind is full of rapture, the body becomes tranquil.

When the body is tranquil, they feel bliss.And when blissful, the mind becomes immersed in samādhi.This is that immersion based on understanding of principle.

If you gain such mental immersion, you can give up that state of uncertainty.Then that noble disciple is rid of desire, rid of ill will, unconfused, aware, and mindful. They meditate spreading a heart full of compassion …rejoicing …

equanimity to one direction, and to the second, and to the third, and to the fourth. In the same way above, below, across, everywhere, all around, they spread a heart full of equanimity to the whole world—abundant, expansive, limitless, free of enmity and ill will.They reflect thus:‘If what this good teacher says is true, it’s a sure bet for me to not hurt any creature firm or frail.

I hold a winning hand on both counts, since I’m restrained in body, speech, and mind, and when my body breaks up, after death, I’ll be reborn in a good place, a heavenly realm.’Joy springs up in them.Being joyful, rapture springs up.

When the mind is full of rapture, the body becomes tranquil.When the body is tranquil, they feel bliss.And when blissful, the mind becomes immersed in samādhi.

This is that immersion based on understanding of principle.If you gain such mental immersion, you can give up that state of uncertainty.”When he said this, Pāṭaliya the chief said to the Buddha,

“Excellent, sir! Excellent! …From this day forth, may the Buddha remember me as a lay follower who has gone for refuge for life.”The Linked Discourses on chiefs are complete.

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