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With PāṭaliyaWith PāṭaliyaAt one time the Buddha was staying in the land of the Koliyans, where they have a town named Uttarakā.At one time the Buddha was staying in the land of the Koliyans, where they have a town named Uttarakā.Then Pāṭaliya the chief went up to the Buddha, bowed, sat down to one side, and said to him:Then Pāṭaliya the chief went up to the Buddha, bowed, sat down to one side, and said to him:

“Sir, I have heard this:“Sir, I have heard this:‘The ascetic Gotama knows deceit.’‘The ascetic Gotama knows deceit.’I trust those who say this repeat what the Buddha has said, and do not misrepresent him with an untruth? Is their explanation in line with the teaching? Are there any legitimate grounds for rebuttal and criticism?I trust those who say this repeat what the Buddha has said, and do not misrepresent him with an untruth? Is their explanation in line with the teaching? Are there any legitimate grounds for rebuttal and criticism?

For we don’t want to misrepresent the Blessed One.”For we don’t want to misrepresent the Blessed One.”“Chief, those who say this repeat what I have said, and don’t misrepresent me with an untruth. Their explanation is in line with the teaching, and there are no legitimate grounds for rebuttal and criticism.”“Chief, those who say this repeat what I have said, and don’t misrepresent me with an untruth. Their explanation is in line with the teaching, and there are no legitimate grounds for rebuttal and criticism.”“Sir, we didn’t believe that what those ascetics and brahmins said was really true.“Sir, we didn’t believe that what those ascetics and brahmins said was really true.

But it seems the ascetic Gotama is deceitful!”But it seems the ascetic Gotama is deceitful!”“Chief, does someone who says ‘I know deceit’ also say ‘I am deceitful’?”“Chief, does someone who says ‘I know deceit’ also say ‘I am deceitful’?”“That’s right, Blessed One! That’s right, Holy One!”“That’s right, Blessed One! That’s right, Holy One!”

“Well then, chief, I’ll ask you about this in return, and you can answer as you like.“Well then, chief, I’ll ask you about this in return, and you can answer as you like.What do you think, chief?What do you think, chief?Do you know the Koliyan officers with drooping headdresses?”Do you know the Koliyan officers with drooping headdresses?”

“I know them, sir.”“I know them, sir.”“And what’s their job?”“And what’s their job?”“To put a stop to bandits and to deliver messages for the Koliyans.”“To put a stop to bandits and to deliver messages for the Koliyans.”

“What do you think, chief?“What do you think, chief?Are the Koliyan officers with drooping headdresses moral or immoral?”Are the Koliyan officers with drooping headdresses moral or immoral?”“I know that they’re immoral, of bad character, sir. They are among those in the world who are immoral and of bad character.”“I know that they’re immoral, of bad character, sir. They are among those in the world who are immoral and of bad character.”

“Would it be right to say that“Would it be right to say thatPāṭaliya knows the Kolyian officers with drooping headdresses who are immoral, of bad character, so he too must be immoral and of bad character?”Pāṭaliya knows the Kolyian officers with drooping headdresses who are immoral, of bad character, so he too must be immoral and of bad character?”“No, sir.“No, sir.

I’m quite different from the Koliyan officers with drooping headdresses; we have quite different characters.”I’m quite different from the Koliyan officers with drooping headdresses; we have quite different characters.”“So if you can know those officers of bad character while you are not of bad character, why can’t the Realized One know deceit, without being deceitful?“So if you can know those officers of bad character while you are not of bad character, why can’t the Realized One know deceit, without being deceitful?I understand deceit and its result. And I understand how the deceitful practice so that when their body breaks up, after death, they’re reborn in a place of loss, a bad place, the underworld, hell.I understand deceit and its result. And I understand how the deceitful practice so that when their body breaks up, after death, they’re reborn in a place of loss, a bad place, the underworld, hell.

I understand killing living creatures and its result. And I understand how those who kill living creatures practice so that when their body breaks up, after death, they’re reborn in a place of loss, a bad place, the underworld, hell.I understand killing living creatures and its result. And I understand how those who kill living creatures practice so that when their body breaks up, after death, they’re reborn in a place of loss, a bad place, the underworld, hell.I understand stealing …I understand stealing …sexual misconduct …sexual misconduct …

lying …lying …backbiting …backbiting …harsh speech …harsh speech …

talking nonsense …talking nonsense …covetousness …covetousness …ill will …ill will …

wrong view and its result. And I understand how those who have wrong view practice so that when their body breaks up, after death, they’re reborn in a place of loss, a bad place, the underworld, hell.wrong view and its result. And I understand how those who have wrong view practice so that when their body breaks up, after death, they’re reborn in a place of loss, a bad place, the underworld, hell.There are some ascetics and brahmins who have this doctrine and view:There are some ascetics and brahmins who have this doctrine and view:‘Everyone who kills living creatures experiences pain and sadness in this very life.‘Everyone who kills living creatures experiences pain and sadness in this very life.

Everyone who steals …Everyone who steals …commits sexual misconduct …commits sexual misconduct …lies experiences pain and sadness in this very life.’lies experiences pain and sadness in this very life.’

But you can see someone, garlanded and adorned, nicely bathed and anointed, hair and beard dressed, taking his pleasure with women as if he were a king.But you can see someone, garlanded and adorned, nicely bathed and anointed, hair and beard dressed, taking his pleasure with women as if he were a king.You might ask someone:You might ask someone:‘My man, what did that man do?’‘My man, what did that man do?’

And they’d reply:And they’d reply:‘My man, that man attacked the king’s enemy and killed them.‘My man, that man attacked the king’s enemy and killed them.The king was delighted and gave him this reward.The king was delighted and gave him this reward.

That’s why he’s garlanded and adorned, nicely bathed and anointed, hair and beard dressed, taking his pleasure with women as if he were a king.’That’s why he’s garlanded and adorned, nicely bathed and anointed, hair and beard dressed, taking his pleasure with women as if he were a king.’And you can see someone else, his arms tied tightly behind his back with a strong rope. His head is shaven and he’s marched from street to street and from square to square to the beating of a harsh drum. Then he’s taken out the south gate and there, to the south of the city, they chop off his head.And you can see someone else, his arms tied tightly behind his back with a strong rope. His head is shaven and he’s marched from street to street and from square to square to the beating of a harsh drum. Then he’s taken out the south gate and there, to the south of the city, they chop off his head.

You might ask someone:You might ask someone:‘My man, what did that man do?’‘My man, what did that man do?’And they’d reply:And they’d reply:

‘My man, that man is an enemy of the king, and he has murdered a man or a woman.‘My man, that man is an enemy of the king, and he has murdered a man or a woman.That’s why the rulers arrested him and inflicted such punishment.’That’s why the rulers arrested him and inflicted such punishment.’What do you think, chief?What do you think, chief?

Have you seen or heard of such a thing?”Have you seen or heard of such a thing?”“Sir, we have seen it and heard of it, and we will hear of it again.”“Sir, we have seen it and heard of it, and we will hear of it again.”“Since this is so, the ascetics and brahmins whose view is that“Since this is so, the ascetics and brahmins whose view is that

everyone who kills living creatures experiences pain and sadness in this very life: are they right or wrong?”everyone who kills living creatures experiences pain and sadness in this very life: are they right or wrong?”“They’re wrong, sir.”“They’re wrong, sir.”“But those who speak hollow, false nonsense: are they moral or immoral?”“But those who speak hollow, false nonsense: are they moral or immoral?”

“Immoral, sir.”“Immoral, sir.”“And are those who are immoral, of bad character practicing wrongly or rightly?”“And are those who are immoral, of bad character practicing wrongly or rightly?”“They’re practicing wrongly, sir.”“They’re practicing wrongly, sir.”

“And do those who are practicing wrongly have wrong view or right view?”“And do those who are practicing wrongly have wrong view or right view?”“They have wrong view, sir.”“They have wrong view, sir.”“But is it appropriate to have confidence in those of wrong view?”“But is it appropriate to have confidence in those of wrong view?”

“No, sir.”“No, sir.”“You can see someone, garlanded and adorned …“You can see someone, garlanded and adorned …‘My man, that man attacked the king’s enemy and took their valuables.‘My man, that man attacked the king’s enemy and took their valuables.

The king was delighted and gave him this reward. …’ …The king was delighted and gave him this reward. …’ …And you can see someone else, his arms tied tightly behind his back …And you can see someone else, his arms tied tightly behind his back …‘My man, that man took something from a village or wilderness, with the intention to commit theft.‘My man, that man took something from a village or wilderness, with the intention to commit theft.

That’s why the rulers arrested him and inflicted such punishment.’That’s why the rulers arrested him and inflicted such punishment.’What do you think, chief?What do you think, chief?Have you seen or heard of such a thing?”Have you seen or heard of such a thing?”

“Sir, we have seen it and heard of it, and we will hear of it again.”“Sir, we have seen it and heard of it, and we will hear of it again.”“Since this is so, the ascetics and brahmins whose view is that“Since this is so, the ascetics and brahmins whose view is thateveryone who steals experiences pain and sadness in this very life: are they right or wrong? …everyone who steals experiences pain and sadness in this very life: are they right or wrong? …

Is it appropriate to have confidence in them?”Is it appropriate to have confidence in them?”“No, sir.”“No, sir.”“You can see someone, garlanded and adorned …“You can see someone, garlanded and adorned …

‘My friend, that man had relations with the wives of an enemy king.‘My friend, that man had relations with the wives of an enemy king.The king was delighted and gave him this reward. …’ …The king was delighted and gave him this reward. …’ …And you can see someone else, his arms tied tightly behind his back …And you can see someone else, his arms tied tightly behind his back …

‘My friend, that man had relations with women and maidens of good families.‘My friend, that man had relations with women and maidens of good families.That’s why the rulers arrested him and inflicted such punishment.’That’s why the rulers arrested him and inflicted such punishment.’What do you think, chief?What do you think, chief?

Have you seen or heard of such a thing?”Have you seen or heard of such a thing?”“Sir, we have seen it and heard of it, and we will hear of it again.”“Sir, we have seen it and heard of it, and we will hear of it again.”“Since this is so, the ascetics and brahmins whose view is that“Since this is so, the ascetics and brahmins whose view is that

everyone who commits sexual misconduct experiences pain and sadness in this very life: are they right or wrong? …everyone who commits sexual misconduct experiences pain and sadness in this very life: are they right or wrong? …Is it appropriate to have confidence in them?”Is it appropriate to have confidence in them?”“No, sir.”“No, sir.”

“And you can see someone, garlanded and adorned …“And you can see someone, garlanded and adorned …‘My man, that man amused the king with lies.‘My man, that man amused the king with lies.The king was delighted and gave him this reward. …’ …The king was delighted and gave him this reward. …’ …

And you can see someone else, his arms tied tightly behind his back …And you can see someone else, his arms tied tightly behind his back …‘My man, that man has ruined a householder or householder’s child by lying.‘My man, that man has ruined a householder or householder’s child by lying.That’s why the rulers arrested him and inflicted such punishment.’That’s why the rulers arrested him and inflicted such punishment.’

What do you think, chief?What do you think, chief?Have you seen or heard of such a thing?”Have you seen or heard of such a thing?”“Sir, we have seen it and heard of it, and we will hear of it again.”“Sir, we have seen it and heard of it, and we will hear of it again.”

“Since this is so, the ascetics and brahmins whose view is that“Since this is so, the ascetics and brahmins whose view is thateveryone who lies experiences pain and sadness in this very life: are they right or wrong?”everyone who lies experiences pain and sadness in this very life: are they right or wrong?”“They’re wrong, sir.”“They’re wrong, sir.”

“But those who speak hollow, false nonsense: are they moral or immoral?”“But those who speak hollow, false nonsense: are they moral or immoral?”“Immoral, sir.”“Immoral, sir.”“And are those who are immoral, of bad character practicing wrongly or rightly?”“And are those who are immoral, of bad character practicing wrongly or rightly?”

“They’re practicing wrongly, sir.”“They’re practicing wrongly, sir.”“And do those who are practicing wrongly have wrong view or right view?”“And do those who are practicing wrongly have wrong view or right view?”“They have wrong view, sir.”“They have wrong view, sir.”

“But is it appropriate to have confidence in those of wrong view?”“But is it appropriate to have confidence in those of wrong view?”“No, sir.“No, sir.It’s incredible, sir, it’s amazing!It’s incredible, sir, it’s amazing!

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