相应部第 22 相应（Sujato 英译）第 88 阅读页 · SN22.86 · With Anurādha

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With AnurādhaWith AnurādhaAt one time the Buddha was staying near Vesālī, at the Great Wood, in the hall with the peaked roof.At one time the Buddha was staying near Vesālī, at the Great Wood, in the hall with the peaked roof.Now at that time Venerable Anurādha was staying not far from the Buddha in a wilderness hut.Now at that time Venerable Anurādha was staying not far from the Buddha in a wilderness hut.

Then several wanderers of other religions went up to Venerable Anurādha and exchanged greetings with him.Then several wanderers of other religions went up to Venerable Anurādha and exchanged greetings with him.When the greetings and polite conversation were over, they sat down to one side and said to him:When the greetings and polite conversation were over, they sat down to one side and said to him:“Reverend Anurādha, when a Realized One is describing a realized one—a supreme person, highest of people, who has reached the highest point—they describe them in these four ways:“Reverend Anurādha, when a Realized One is describing a realized one—a supreme person, highest of people, who has reached the highest point—they describe them in these four ways:

After death, a realized one still exists, or no longer exists, or both still exists and no longer exists, or neither still exists nor no longer exists.”After death, a realized one still exists, or no longer exists, or both still exists and no longer exists, or neither still exists nor no longer exists.”When they said this, Venerable Anurādha said to those wanderers:When they said this, Venerable Anurādha said to those wanderers:“Reverends, when a Realized One is describing a realized one—a supreme person, highest of people, who has reached the highest point—they describe them other than these four ways:“Reverends, when a Realized One is describing a realized one—a supreme person, highest of people, who has reached the highest point—they describe them other than these four ways:

After death, a realized one still exists, or no longer exists, or both still exists and no longer exists, or neither still exists nor no longer exists.”After death, a realized one still exists, or no longer exists, or both still exists and no longer exists, or neither still exists nor no longer exists.”When he said this, the wanderers said to him:When he said this, the wanderers said to him:“This mendicant must be junior, recently gone forth, or else a foolish, incompetent senior mendicant.”“This mendicant must be junior, recently gone forth, or else a foolish, incompetent senior mendicant.”

Then, after rebuking Venerable Anurādha by calling him “junior” and “foolish”, the wanderers rose from their seats and left.Then, after rebuking Venerable Anurādha by calling him “junior” and “foolish”, the wanderers rose from their seats and left.Soon after they had left, Anurādha thought:Soon after they had left, Anurādha thought:“If those wanderers were to inquire further,“If those wanderers were to inquire further,

how should I answer them so as to repeat what the Buddha has said, and not misrepresent him with an untruth? How should I explain in line with his teaching, so that there would be no legitimate grounds for rebuttal and criticism?”how should I answer them so as to repeat what the Buddha has said, and not misrepresent him with an untruth? How should I explain in line with his teaching, so that there would be no legitimate grounds for rebuttal and criticism?”Then Venerable Anurādha went up to the Buddha, bowed, sat down to one side, and told him all that had happened.Then Venerable Anurādha went up to the Buddha, bowed, sat down to one side, and told him all that had happened.“What do you think, Anurādha?“What do you think, Anurādha?

Is form permanent or impermanent?”Is form permanent or impermanent?”“Impermanent, sir.”“Impermanent, sir.”“But if it’s impermanent, is it suffering or happiness?”“But if it’s impermanent, is it suffering or happiness?”

“Suffering, sir.”“Suffering, sir.”“But if it’s impermanent, suffering, and perishable, is it fit to be regarded thus:“But if it’s impermanent, suffering, and perishable, is it fit to be regarded thus:‘This is mine, I am this, this is my self’?”‘This is mine, I am this, this is my self’?”

“No, sir.”“No, sir.”“Is feeling …” …“Is feeling …” …“… perception …” …“… perception …” …

“… choices …” …“… choices …” …“Is consciousness permanent or impermanent?”“Is consciousness permanent or impermanent?”“Impermanent, sir.” …“Impermanent, sir.” …

“So you should truly see …“So you should truly see …Seeing this …Seeing this …They understand: ‘… there is nothing further for this place.’They understand: ‘… there is nothing further for this place.’

What do you think, Anurādha?What do you think, Anurādha?Do you consider that the label ‘realized one’ applies to form?”Do you consider that the label ‘realized one’ applies to form?”“No, sir.”“No, sir.”

“Do you consider that the label ‘realized one’ applies to feeling?” …“Do you consider that the label ‘realized one’ applies to feeling?” …“… perception?” …“… perception?” …“… choices?” …“… choices?” …

“… consciousness?”“… consciousness?”“No, sir.”“No, sir.”“What do you think, Anurādha?“What do you think, Anurādha?

Do you consider that the label ‘realized one’ applies in relation to form?”Do you consider that the label ‘realized one’ applies in relation to form?”“No, sir.”“No, sir.”“Do you consider that the label ‘realized one’ applies apart from form?”“Do you consider that the label ‘realized one’ applies apart from form?”

“No, sir.”“No, sir.”“Do you consider that the label ‘realized one’ applies in relation to feeling?” …“Do you consider that the label ‘realized one’ applies in relation to feeling?” …“… apart from feeling?” …“… apart from feeling?” …

“… in relation to perception?” …“… in relation to perception?” …“… apart from perception?” …“… apart from perception?” …“… in relation to choices?” …“… in relation to choices?” …

“… apart from choices?” …“… apart from choices?” …“… in relation to consciousness?” …“… in relation to consciousness?” …“… apart from consciousness?”“… apart from consciousness?”

“No, sir.”“No, sir.”“What do you think, Anurādha?“What do you think, Anurādha?Do you consider that the label ‘realized one’ applies to one who has form?” … “… feeling?” … “… perception?” … “… choices?” … “… consciousness?”Do you consider that the label ‘realized one’ applies to one who has form?” … “… feeling?” … “… perception?” … “… choices?” … “… consciousness?”

“No, sir.”“No, sir.”“What do you think, Anurādha?“What do you think, Anurādha?Do you consider that the label ‘realized one’ applies to that one who is without form?” … “… feeling?” … “… perception?” … “… choices?” … “… consciousness?”Do you consider that the label ‘realized one’ applies to that one who is without form?” … “… feeling?” … “… perception?” … “… choices?” … “… consciousness?”

“No, sir.”“No, sir.”“In that case, Anurādha, since a realized one is not found by you as a genuine fact in this very life, is it cogent for you to declare:“In that case, Anurādha, since a realized one is not found by you as a genuine fact in this very life, is it cogent for you to declare:‘Reverends, when a Realized One is describing a realized one—a supreme person, highest of people, who has reached the highest point—they describe them other than these four ways:‘Reverends, when a Realized One is describing a realized one—a supreme person, highest of people, who has reached the highest point—they describe them other than these four ways:

After death, a realized one still exists, or no longer exists, or both still exists and no longer exists, or neither still exists nor no longer exists’?”After death, a realized one still exists, or no longer exists, or both still exists and no longer exists, or neither still exists nor no longer exists’?”“No, sir.”“No, sir.”“Good, good, Anurādha!“Good, good, Anurādha!

In the past, as today, what I describe is suffering and the cessation of suffering.”In the past, as today, what I describe is suffering and the cessation of suffering.”