增支部第 10 集（Sujato 英译）第 98 阅读页 · AN10.96 · With Kokanada

Numbered Discourses 10.96Numbered Discourses 10.9610. With Upāli10. With Upāli

With KokanadaWith KokanadaAt one time Venerable Ānanda was staying near Rājagaha in the Hot Springs Monastery.At one time Venerable Ānanda was staying near Rājagaha in the Hot Springs Monastery.Then Ānanda rose at the crack of dawn and went to the hot springs to bathe.Then Ānanda rose at the crack of dawn and went to the hot springs to bathe.

When he had bathed and emerged from the water he stood in one robe drying his limbs.When he had bathed and emerged from the water he stood in one robe drying his limbs.The wanderer Kokanada also rose at the crack of dawn and went to the hot springs to bathe.The wanderer Kokanada also rose at the crack of dawn and went to the hot springs to bathe.He saw Ānanda coming off in the distanceHe saw Ānanda coming off in the distance

and said to him,and said to him,“Who’s here, reverend?”“Who’s here, reverend?”“I’m a mendicant, reverend.”“I’m a mendicant, reverend.”

“Of which mendicants?”“Of which mendicants?”“Of the ascetics who follow the Sakyan.”“Of the ascetics who follow the Sakyan.”“I’d like to ask the venerable about a certain point, if you’d take the time to answer.”“I’d like to ask the venerable about a certain point, if you’d take the time to answer.”

“Ask, reverend. When I’ve heard it I’ll know.”“Ask, reverend. When I’ve heard it I’ll know.”“Is this your view: ‘The cosmos is eternal. This is the only truth, anything else is futile’?”“Is this your view: ‘The cosmos is eternal. This is the only truth, anything else is futile’?”“That’s not my view, reverend.”“That’s not my view, reverend.”

“Then is this your view: ‘The cosmos is not eternal. This is the only truth, anything else is futile’?”“Then is this your view: ‘The cosmos is not eternal. This is the only truth, anything else is futile’?”“That’s not my view, reverend.”“That’s not my view, reverend.”“Then is this your view: ‘The cosmos is finite …’ …“Then is this your view: ‘The cosmos is finite …’ …

‘The cosmos is infinite …’ …‘The cosmos is infinite …’ …‘The soul and the body are one and the same …’ …‘The soul and the body are one and the same …’ …‘The soul is one thing, the body another …’ …‘The soul is one thing, the body another …’ …

‘A realized one still exists after death …’ …‘A realized one still exists after death …’ …‘A realized one no longer exists after death …’ …‘A realized one no longer exists after death …’ …‘A realized one both still exists and no longer exists after death …’ …‘A realized one both still exists and no longer exists after death …’ …

‘A realized one neither still exists nor no longer exists after death. This is the only truth, anything else is futile’?”‘A realized one neither still exists nor no longer exists after death. This is the only truth, anything else is futile’?”“That’s not my view, reverend.”“That’s not my view, reverend.”“Then, sir, do you neither know nor see?”“Then, sir, do you neither know nor see?”

“That’s not so, reverend.“That’s not so, reverend.I do know and see.”I do know and see.”“When asked about all these points, you say that’s not your view.“When asked about all these points, you say that’s not your view.

Yet when asked whether you neither know nor see,Yet when asked whether you neither know nor see,you say, ‘That’s not so, reverend.you say, ‘That’s not so, reverend.I do know and see.’I do know and see.’

How then should we see the meaning of this statement?”How then should we see the meaning of this statement?”“‘The cosmos is eternal. This is the only truth, anything else is futile:’ that’s a misconception.“‘The cosmos is eternal. This is the only truth, anything else is futile:’ that’s a misconception.‘The cosmos is not eternal. This is the only truth, anything else is futile:’ that’s a misconception.‘The cosmos is not eternal. This is the only truth, anything else is futile:’ that’s a misconception.

‘The cosmos is finite …’ …‘The cosmos is finite …’ …‘The cosmos is infinite …’ …‘The cosmos is infinite …’ …‘The soul and the body are one and the same …’ …‘The soul and the body are one and the same …’ …

‘The soul is one thing, the body another …’ …‘The soul is one thing, the body another …’ …‘A realized one still exists after death …’ …‘A realized one still exists after death …’ …‘A realized one no longer exists after death …’ …‘A realized one no longer exists after death …’ …

‘A realized one both still exists and no longer exists after death …’ …‘A realized one both still exists and no longer exists after death …’ …‘A realized one neither still exists nor no longer exists after death. This is the only truth, anything else is futile:’ that’s a misconception.‘A realized one neither still exists nor no longer exists after death. This is the only truth, anything else is futile:’ that’s a misconception.I know and see the scope of convictions, the scope of grounds for views, fixation on views, obsession with views, the origin of views, and the uprooting of views.I know and see the scope of convictions, the scope of grounds for views, fixation on views, obsession with views, the origin of views, and the uprooting of views.

Knowing and seeing thus, why should I say:Knowing and seeing thus, why should I say:‘I neither know nor see?’‘I neither know nor see?’I do know and see.”I do know and see.”

“What is the venerable’s name? And how are you known among your spiritual companions?”“What is the venerable’s name? And how are you known among your spiritual companions?”“Reverend, my name is Ānanda.“Reverend, my name is Ānanda.And that’s how I’m known among my spiritual companions.”And that’s how I’m known among my spiritual companions.”

“Goodness! I had no idea I was consulting such a great tutor as“Goodness! I had no idea I was consulting such a great tutor asVenerable Ānanda!Venerable Ānanda!If I had known whoIf I had known who

you were, I wouldn’t have said so much.you were, I wouldn’t have said so much.May Venerable Ānanda please forgive me.”May Venerable Ānanda please forgive me.”