增支部第 10 集（Sujato 英译）第 95 阅读页 · AN10.93 · What is Your View?

Numbered Discourses 10.93Numbered Discourses 10.9310. With Upāli10. With Upāli

What is Your View?What is Your View?At one time the Buddha was staying near Sāvatthī in Jeta’s Grove, Anāthapiṇḍika’s monastery.At one time the Buddha was staying near Sāvatthī in Jeta’s Grove, Anāthapiṇḍika’s monastery.Then the householder Anāthapiṇḍika left Sāvatthī in the middle of the day to see the Buddha.Then the householder Anāthapiṇḍika left Sāvatthī in the middle of the day to see the Buddha.

Then it occurred to him,Then it occurred to him,“It’s the wrong time to see the Buddha,“It’s the wrong time to see the Buddha,as he’s in retreat.as he’s in retreat.

And it’s the wrong time to see the esteemed mendicants,And it’s the wrong time to see the esteemed mendicants,as they’re in retreat.as they’re in retreat.Why don’t I visit the monastery for the wanderers of other religions?”Why don’t I visit the monastery for the wanderers of other religions?”

Then he went to the monastery for the wanderers of other religions.Then he went to the monastery for the wanderers of other religions.Now at that time, the wanderers of other religions had come together, making an uproar, a colossal racket as they sat and talked about all kinds of low topics.Now at that time, the wanderers of other religions had come together, making an uproar, a colossal racket as they sat and talked about all kinds of low topics.They saw Anāthapiṇḍika coming off in the distance,They saw Anāthapiṇḍika coming off in the distance,

and stopped each other, saying,and stopped each other, saying,“Be quiet, good fellows, don’t make a sound.“Be quiet, good fellows, don’t make a sound.The householder Anāthapiṇḍika, a disciple of the ascetic Gotama, is coming into our monastery.The householder Anāthapiṇḍika, a disciple of the ascetic Gotama, is coming into our monastery.

He is included among the white-clothed lay disciples of the ascetic Gotama, who is residing in Sāvatthī.He is included among the white-clothed lay disciples of the ascetic Gotama, who is residing in Sāvatthī.Such venerables like the quiet, are educated to be quiet, and praise the quiet.Such venerables like the quiet, are educated to be quiet, and praise the quiet.Hopefully if he sees that our assembly is quiet he’ll see fit to approach.”Hopefully if he sees that our assembly is quiet he’ll see fit to approach.”

Then those wanderers of other religions fell silent.Then those wanderers of other religions fell silent.Then Anāthapiṇḍika went up to them, and exchanged greetings with those wanderers.Then Anāthapiṇḍika went up to them, and exchanged greetings with those wanderers.When the greetings and polite conversation were over, he sat down to one side. The wanderers said to him,When the greetings and polite conversation were over, he sat down to one side. The wanderers said to him,

“Tell us, householder, what is the view of the ascetic Gotama?”“Tell us, householder, what is the view of the ascetic Gotama?”“Sirs, I don’t know all his views.”“Sirs, I don’t know all his views.”“Well then, since it seems you don’t know all the views of the ascetic Gotama,“Well then, since it seems you don’t know all the views of the ascetic Gotama,

tell us, what are the views of the mendicants?”tell us, what are the views of the mendicants?”“Sirs, I don’t know all the mendicants’ views.”“Sirs, I don’t know all the mendicants’ views.”“Well then, since it seems you don’t know all the views of the ascetic Gotama or of the mendicants,“Well then, since it seems you don’t know all the views of the ascetic Gotama or of the mendicants,

tell us, householder, what is your view?”tell us, householder, what is your view?”“Sirs, it’s not hard for me to explain what my views are.“Sirs, it’s not hard for me to explain what my views are.But please, let the venerables explain their own convictions first. Afterwards it won’t be hard for me to explain my views.”But please, let the venerables explain their own convictions first. Afterwards it won’t be hard for me to explain my views.”

When he said this, one of the wanderers said to him,When he said this, one of the wanderers said to him,“The cosmos is eternal. This is the only truth, anything else is futile.“The cosmos is eternal. This is the only truth, anything else is futile.That’s my view, householder.”That’s my view, householder.”

Another wanderer said,Another wanderer said,“The cosmos is not eternal. This is the only truth, anything else is futile.“The cosmos is not eternal. This is the only truth, anything else is futile.That’s my view, householder.”That’s my view, householder.”

Another wanderer said,Another wanderer said,“The cosmos is finite …” …“The cosmos is finite …” …“The cosmos is infinite …” …“The cosmos is infinite …” …

“The soul and the body are one and the same …” …“The soul and the body are one and the same …” …“The soul is one thing, the body another …” …“The soul is one thing, the body another …” …“A realized one still exists after death …” …“A realized one still exists after death …” …

“A realized one no longer exists after death …” …“A realized one no longer exists after death …” …“A realized one both still exists and no longer exists after death …” …“A realized one both still exists and no longer exists after death …” …“A Realized One neither still exists nor no longer exists after death. This is the only truth, anything else is futile.“A Realized One neither still exists nor no longer exists after death. This is the only truth, anything else is futile.

That’s my view, householder.”That’s my view, householder.”When this was said, Anāthapiṇḍika said this,When this was said, Anāthapiṇḍika said this,“Sirs, regarding the venerable who said this:“Sirs, regarding the venerable who said this:

‘The cosmos is eternal. This is the only truth, anything else is futile.‘The cosmos is eternal. This is the only truth, anything else is futile.That’s my view, householder.’That’s my view, householder.’This view of his has either arisen from his own irrational application of mind, or is conditioned by what someone else says.This view of his has either arisen from his own irrational application of mind, or is conditioned by what someone else says.

But that view is created, conditioned, chosen, dependently originated.But that view is created, conditioned, chosen, dependently originated.Whatever is created, conditioned, chosen, and dependently originated is impermanent.Whatever is created, conditioned, chosen, and dependently originated is impermanent.And what’s impermanent is suffering.And what’s impermanent is suffering.

What he clings to and holds to is just suffering.What he clings to and holds to is just suffering.Regarding the venerable who said this:Regarding the venerable who said this:‘The cosmos is not eternal. This is the only truth, anything else is futile.‘The cosmos is not eternal. This is the only truth, anything else is futile.

That’s my view, householder.’That’s my view, householder.’This view of his has either arisen from his own irrational application of mind, or is conditioned by what someone else says.This view of his has either arisen from his own irrational application of mind, or is conditioned by what someone else says.But that view is created, conditioned, chosen, dependently originated.But that view is created, conditioned, chosen, dependently originated.

Whatever is created, conditioned, chosen, and dependently originated is impermanent.Whatever is created, conditioned, chosen, and dependently originated is impermanent.And what’s impermanent is suffering.And what’s impermanent is suffering.What he clings to and holds to is just suffering.What he clings to and holds to is just suffering.

Regarding the venerable who said this:Regarding the venerable who said this:‘The cosmos is finite …’ …‘The cosmos is finite …’ …‘The cosmos is infinite …’ …‘The cosmos is infinite …’ …

‘The soul and the body are one and the same …’ …‘The soul and the body are one and the same …’ …‘The soul is one thing, the body another …’ …‘The soul is one thing, the body another …’ …‘A realized one still exists after death …’ …‘A realized one still exists after death …’ …

‘A realized one no longer exists after death …’ …‘A realized one no longer exists after death …’ …‘A realized one both still exists and no longer exists after death …’ …‘A realized one both still exists and no longer exists after death …’ …‘A Realized One neither still exists nor no longer exists after death. This is the only truth, anything else is futile.‘A Realized One neither still exists nor no longer exists after death. This is the only truth, anything else is futile.

That’s my view, householder.’That’s my view, householder.’This view of his has either arisen from his own irrational application of mind, or is conditioned by what someone else says.This view of his has either arisen from his own irrational application of mind, or is conditioned by what someone else says.But that view is created, conditioned, chosen, dependently originated.But that view is created, conditioned, chosen, dependently originated.

Whatever is created, conditioned, chosen, and dependently originated is impermanent.Whatever is created, conditioned, chosen, and dependently originated is impermanent.And what’s impermanent is suffering.And what’s impermanent is suffering.What he clings to and holds to is just suffering.”What he clings to and holds to is just suffering.”

When he said this the wanderers said to him,When he said this the wanderers said to him,“Householder, we’ve each explained our own convictions.“Householder, we’ve each explained our own convictions.Tell us, householder, what is your view?”Tell us, householder, what is your view?”

“Sirs, whatever is created, conditioned, chosen, and dependently originated is impermanent.“Sirs, whatever is created, conditioned, chosen, and dependently originated is impermanent.And what’s impermanent is suffering.And what’s impermanent is suffering.And what’s suffering is not mine, I am not this, this is not my self.And what’s suffering is not mine, I am not this, this is not my self.

That’s my view, sirs.”That’s my view, sirs.”“Householder, whatever is created, conditioned, chosen, and dependently originated is impermanent.“Householder, whatever is created, conditioned, chosen, and dependently originated is impermanent.And what’s impermanent is suffering.And what’s impermanent is suffering.

What you cling to and hold to is just suffering.”What you cling to and hold to is just suffering.”“Sirs, whatever is created, conditioned, chosen, and dependently originated is impermanent.“Sirs, whatever is created, conditioned, chosen, and dependently originated is impermanent.And what’s impermanent is suffering.And what’s impermanent is suffering.

And I’ve truly seen clearly with right wisdom that what’s suffering is not mine, I am not this, it’s not my self.And I’ve truly seen clearly with right wisdom that what’s suffering is not mine, I am not this, it’s not my self.And I truly understand the escape beyond that.”And I truly understand the escape beyond that.”When this was said, those wanderers sat silent, dismayed, shoulders drooping, downcast, depressed, with nothing to say.When this was said, those wanderers sat silent, dismayed, shoulders drooping, downcast, depressed, with nothing to say.

Seeing this, Anāthapiṇḍika rose from his seat. He went to the Buddha, bowed, sat down to one side, and informed the Buddha of all they had discussed.Seeing this, Anāthapiṇḍika rose from his seat. He went to the Buddha, bowed, sat down to one side, and informed the Buddha of all they had discussed.“Good, good, householder!“Good, good, householder!That’s how you should legitimately and completely refute those futile men from time to time.”That’s how you should legitimately and completely refute those futile men from time to time.”

Then the Buddha educated, encouraged, fired up, and inspired the householder Anāthapiṇḍika with a Dhamma talk,Then the Buddha educated, encouraged, fired up, and inspired the householder Anāthapiṇḍika with a Dhamma talk,after which Anāthapiṇḍika got up from his seat, bowed, and respectfully circled the Buddha, keeping him on his right, before leaving.after which Anāthapiṇḍika got up from his seat, bowed, and respectfully circled the Buddha, keeping him on his right, before leaving.Then, not long after Anāthapiṇḍika had left, the Buddha addressed the mendicants:Then, not long after Anāthapiṇḍika had left, the Buddha addressed the mendicants:

“Mendicants, even a mendicant who has ordained for a hundred years in this teaching and training would legitimately and completely refute those wanderers of other religions just as the householder Anāthapiṇḍika did.”“Mendicants, even a mendicant who has ordained for a hundred years in this teaching and training would legitimately and completely refute those wanderers of other religions just as the householder Anāthapiṇḍika did.”