增支部第 3 集（Sujato 英译）第 66 阅读页 · AN3.66 · With Sāḷha and His Friend

Numbered Discourses 3.66Numbered Discourses 3.667. The Great Chapter7. The Great Chapter

With Sāḷha and His FriendWith Sāḷha and His FriendSo I have heard.So I have heard.Now at that time Venerable Nandaka was staying near Sāvatthī in the stilt longhouse of Migāra’s mother in the Eastern Monastery.Now at that time Venerable Nandaka was staying near Sāvatthī in the stilt longhouse of Migāra’s mother in the Eastern Monastery.

Then Sāḷha, Migāra’s grandson, and Rohaṇa, Pekhuṇiya’s grandson went up to Venerable Nandaka, bowed, and sat down to one side. Then Venerable Nandaka said to Sāḷha:Then Sāḷha, Migāra’s grandson, and Rohaṇa, Pekhuṇiya’s grandson went up to Venerable Nandaka, bowed, and sat down to one side. Then Venerable Nandaka said to Sāḷha:“Please, Sāḷha and friend, don’t go by oral transmission, don’t go by lineage, don’t go by testament, don’t go by canonical authority, don’t rely on logic, don’t rely on inference, don’t go by reasoned train of thought, don’t go by the acceptance of a view after deliberation, don’t go by the appearance of competence, and don’t think ‘The ascetic is our respected teacher.’“Please, Sāḷha and friend, don’t go by oral transmission, don’t go by lineage, don’t go by testament, don’t go by canonical authority, don’t rely on logic, don’t rely on inference, don’t go by reasoned train of thought, don’t go by the acceptance of a view after deliberation, don’t go by the appearance of competence, and don’t think ‘The ascetic is our respected teacher.’

But when you know for yourselves: ‘These things are unskillful, blameworthy, criticized by sensible people, and when you undertake them, they lead to harm and suffering’, then you should give them up.But when you know for yourselves: ‘These things are unskillful, blameworthy, criticized by sensible people, and when you undertake them, they lead to harm and suffering’, then you should give them up.What do you think, Sāḷha?What do you think, Sāḷha?Is greed real?”Is greed real?”

“Yes, sir.”“Yes, sir.”“‘Covetousness’ is what I mean by this.“‘Covetousness’ is what I mean by this.A person who is greedy and covetous kills living creatures, steals, commits adultery, lies, and encourages others to do the same. Is that for their lasting harm and suffering?”A person who is greedy and covetous kills living creatures, steals, commits adultery, lies, and encourages others to do the same. Is that for their lasting harm and suffering?”

“Yes, sir.”“Yes, sir.”“What do you think, Sāḷha?“What do you think, Sāḷha?Is hate real?”Is hate real?”

“Yes, sir.”“Yes, sir.”“‘Malice’ is what I mean by this.“‘Malice’ is what I mean by this.A hateful and malicious person kills living creatures, steals, commits adultery, lies, and encourages others to do the same. Is that for their lasting harm and suffering?”A hateful and malicious person kills living creatures, steals, commits adultery, lies, and encourages others to do the same. Is that for their lasting harm and suffering?”

“Yes, sir.”“Yes, sir.”“What do you think, Sāḷha?“What do you think, Sāḷha?Is delusion real?”Is delusion real?”

“Yes, sir.”“Yes, sir.”“‘Ignorance’ is what I mean by this.“‘Ignorance’ is what I mean by this.A person who is deluded and ignorant kills living creatures, steals, commits adultery, lies, and encourages others to do the same. Is that for their lasting harm and suffering?”A person who is deluded and ignorant kills living creatures, steals, commits adultery, lies, and encourages others to do the same. Is that for their lasting harm and suffering?”

“Yes, sir.”“Yes, sir.”“What do you think, Sāḷha, are these things skillful or unskillful?”“What do you think, Sāḷha, are these things skillful or unskillful?”“Unskillful, sir.”“Unskillful, sir.”

“Blameworthy or blameless?”“Blameworthy or blameless?”“Blameworthy, sir.”“Blameworthy, sir.”“Criticized or praised by sensible people?”“Criticized or praised by sensible people?”

“Criticized by sensible people, sir.”“Criticized by sensible people, sir.”“When you undertake them, do they lead to harm and suffering, or not?“When you undertake them, do they lead to harm and suffering, or not?Or how do you see this?”Or how do you see this?”

“When you undertake them, they lead to harm and suffering.“When you undertake them, they lead to harm and suffering.That’s how we see it.”That’s how we see it.”“So, Sāḷha and friend, when I said:“So, Sāḷha and friend, when I said:

‘Please, don’t go by oral transmission, don’t go by lineage, don’t go by testament, don’t go by canonical authority, don’t rely on logic, don’t rely on inference, don’t go by reasoned train of thought, don’t go by the acceptance of a view after deliberation, don’t go by the appearance of competence, and don’t think “The ascetic is our respected teacher.”‘Please, don’t go by oral transmission, don’t go by lineage, don’t go by testament, don’t go by canonical authority, don’t rely on logic, don’t rely on inference, don’t go by reasoned train of thought, don’t go by the acceptance of a view after deliberation, don’t go by the appearance of competence, and don’t think “The ascetic is our respected teacher.”But when you know for yourselves:But when you know for yourselves:

“These things are unskillful, blameworthy, criticized by sensible people, and when you undertake them, they lead to harm and suffering”, then you should give them up.’“These things are unskillful, blameworthy, criticized by sensible people, and when you undertake them, they lead to harm and suffering”, then you should give them up.’That’s what I said, and this is why I said it.That’s what I said, and this is why I said it.Please, Sāḷha and friend, don’t go by oral transmission, don’t go by lineage, don’t go by testament, don’t go by canonical authority, don’t rely on logic, don’t rely on inference, don’t go by reasoned train of thought, don’t go by the acceptance of a view after deliberation, don’t go by the appearance of competence, and don’t think ‘The ascetic is our respected teacher.’Please, Sāḷha and friend, don’t go by oral transmission, don’t go by lineage, don’t go by testament, don’t go by canonical authority, don’t rely on logic, don’t rely on inference, don’t go by reasoned train of thought, don’t go by the acceptance of a view after deliberation, don’t go by the appearance of competence, and don’t think ‘The ascetic is our respected teacher.’

But when you know for yourselves:But when you know for yourselves:‘These things are skillful, blameless, praised by sensible people, and when you undertake them, they lead to welfare and happiness’, then you should acquire them and keep them.‘These things are skillful, blameless, praised by sensible people, and when you undertake them, they lead to welfare and happiness’, then you should acquire them and keep them.What do you think? Is contentment real?”What do you think? Is contentment real?”

“Yes, sir.”“Yes, sir.”“‘Satisfaction’ is what I mean by this.“‘Satisfaction’ is what I mean by this.A person who is content and satisfied doesn’t kill living creatures, steal, commit adultery, lie, or encourage others to do the same. Is that for their lasting welfare and happiness?”A person who is content and satisfied doesn’t kill living creatures, steal, commit adultery, lie, or encourage others to do the same. Is that for their lasting welfare and happiness?”

“Yes, sir.”“Yes, sir.”“What do you think? Is love real?”“What do you think? Is love real?”“Yes, sir.”“Yes, sir.”

“‘Kindness’ is what I mean by this.“‘Kindness’ is what I mean by this.A loving and kind-hearted person doesn’t kill living creatures, steal, commit adultery, lie, or encourage others to do the same. Is that for their lasting welfare and happiness?”A loving and kind-hearted person doesn’t kill living creatures, steal, commit adultery, lie, or encourage others to do the same. Is that for their lasting welfare and happiness?”“Yes, sir.”“Yes, sir.”

“What do you think, Sāḷha?“What do you think, Sāḷha?Is understanding real?”Is understanding real?”“Yes, sir.”“Yes, sir.”

“‘Knowledge’ is what I mean by this.“‘Knowledge’ is what I mean by this.A person who understands and knows doesn’t kill living creatures, steal, commit adultery, lie, or encourage others to do the same. Is that for their lasting welfare and happiness?”A person who understands and knows doesn’t kill living creatures, steal, commit adultery, lie, or encourage others to do the same. Is that for their lasting welfare and happiness?”“Yes, sir.”“Yes, sir.”

“What do you think, Sāḷha, are these things skillful or unskillful?”“What do you think, Sāḷha, are these things skillful or unskillful?”“Skillful, sir.”“Skillful, sir.”“Blameworthy or blameless?”“Blameworthy or blameless?”

“Blameless, sir.”“Blameless, sir.”“Criticized or praised by sensible people?”“Criticized or praised by sensible people?”“Praised by sensible people, sir.”“Praised by sensible people, sir.”

“When you undertake them, do they lead to welfare and happiness, or not?“When you undertake them, do they lead to welfare and happiness, or not?Or how do you see this?”Or how do you see this?”“When you undertake them, they lead to welfare and happiness.“When you undertake them, they lead to welfare and happiness.

That’s how we see it.”That’s how we see it.”“So, Sāḷha and friend, when I said:“So, Sāḷha and friend, when I said:‘Please, don’t go by oral transmission, don’t go by lineage, don’t go by testament, don’t go by canonical authority, don’t rely on logic, don’t rely on inference, don’t go by reasoned train of thought, don’t go by the acceptance of a view after deliberation, don’t go by the appearance of competence, and don’t think “The ascetic is our respected teacher.”‘Please, don’t go by oral transmission, don’t go by lineage, don’t go by testament, don’t go by canonical authority, don’t rely on logic, don’t rely on inference, don’t go by reasoned train of thought, don’t go by the acceptance of a view after deliberation, don’t go by the appearance of competence, and don’t think “The ascetic is our respected teacher.”

But when you know for yourselves:But when you know for yourselves:“These things are skillful, blameless, praised by sensible people, and when you undertake them, they lead to welfare and happiness”, then you should acquire them and keep them.’“These things are skillful, blameless, praised by sensible people, and when you undertake them, they lead to welfare and happiness”, then you should acquire them and keep them.’That’s what I said, and this is why I said it.That’s what I said, and this is why I said it.

Then that noble disciple is rid of desire, rid of ill will, unconfused, aware, and mindful. They meditate spreading a heart full of love …Then that noble disciple is rid of desire, rid of ill will, unconfused, aware, and mindful. They meditate spreading a heart full of love …compassion …compassion …rejoicing …rejoicing …

equanimity to one direction, and to the second, and to the third, and to the fourth. In the same way above, below, across, everywhere, all around, they spread a heart full of equanimity to the whole world—abundant, expansive, limitless, free of enmity and ill will.equanimity to one direction, and to the second, and to the third, and to the fourth. In the same way above, below, across, everywhere, all around, they spread a heart full of equanimity to the whole world—abundant, expansive, limitless, free of enmity and ill will.They understand:They understand:‘There is this, there is what is worse than this, there is what is better than this, and there is an escape beyond the scope of perception.’‘There is this, there is what is worse than this, there is what is better than this, and there is an escape beyond the scope of perception.’

Knowing and seeing like this, their mind is freed from the defilements of sensuality, desire to be reborn, and ignorance.Knowing and seeing like this, their mind is freed from the defilements of sensuality, desire to be reborn, and ignorance.When they’re freed, they know they’re freed.When they’re freed, they know they’re freed.They understand: ‘Rebirth is ended, the spiritual journey has been completed, what had to be done has been done, there is nothing further for this place.’They understand: ‘Rebirth is ended, the spiritual journey has been completed, what had to be done has been done, there is nothing further for this place.’

They understand:They understand:‘Formerly there was greed, which was unskillful. Now there is none, so that’s skillful.‘Formerly there was greed, which was unskillful. Now there is none, so that’s skillful.Formerly there was hate, which was unskillful. Now there is none, so that’s skillful.Formerly there was hate, which was unskillful. Now there is none, so that’s skillful.

Formerly there was delusion, which was unskillful. Now there is none, so that’s skillful.’Formerly there was delusion, which was unskillful. Now there is none, so that’s skillful.’So they live without wishes in this very life, quenched, cooled, experiencing bliss, with self become divine.”So they live without wishes in this very life, quenched, cooled, experiencing bliss, with self become divine.”