相应部第 44 相应（Sujato 英译）第 9 阅读页 · SN44.9 · The Debating Hall

Linked Discourses 44.9Linked Discourses 44.91. The Undeclared Points1. The Undeclared Points

The Debating HallThe Debating HallThen the wanderer Vacchagotta went up to the Buddha and exchanged greetings with him.Then the wanderer Vacchagotta went up to the Buddha and exchanged greetings with him.When the greetings and polite conversation were over, he sat down to one side, and said to the Buddha:When the greetings and polite conversation were over, he sat down to one side, and said to the Buddha:

“Worthy Gotama, a few days ago several ascetics, brahmins, and wanderers who follow various other religions were sitting together in the debating hall, and this discussion came up among them:“Worthy Gotama, a few days ago several ascetics, brahmins, and wanderers who follow various other religions were sitting together in the debating hall, and this discussion came up among them:‘This Pūraṇa Kassapa leads an order and a community, and tutors a community. He’s a well-known and famous religious founder, deemed holy by many people.‘This Pūraṇa Kassapa leads an order and a community, and tutors a community. He’s a well-known and famous religious founder, deemed holy by many people.When a disciple passes away, he declares thatWhen a disciple passes away, he declares that

this one is reborn here, while that one is reborn there.this one is reborn here, while that one is reborn there.And as for a disciple who is a supreme person, highest of people, having reached the highest point, when they pass away he also declares thatAnd as for a disciple who is a supreme person, highest of people, having reached the highest point, when they pass away he also declares thatthis one is reborn here, while that one is reborn there.this one is reborn here, while that one is reborn there.

This bamboo-staffed ascetic Gosāla …This bamboo-staffed ascetic Gosāla …the Jain ascetic of the Ñātika clan …the Jain ascetic of the Ñātika clan …Sañjaya Belaṭṭhiputta …Sañjaya Belaṭṭhiputta …

Pakudha Kaccāyana …Pakudha Kaccāyana …Ajita of the hair blanket leads an order and a community, and tutors a community. He’s a well-known and famous religious founder, deemed holy by many people.Ajita of the hair blanket leads an order and a community, and tutors a community. He’s a well-known and famous religious founder, deemed holy by many people.When a disciple passes away, he declares thatWhen a disciple passes away, he declares that

this one is reborn here, while that one is reborn there.this one is reborn here, while that one is reborn there.And as for a disciple who is a supreme person, highest of people, having reached the highest point, when they pass away he also declares thatAnd as for a disciple who is a supreme person, highest of people, having reached the highest point, when they pass away he also declares thatthis one is reborn here, while that one is reborn there.this one is reborn here, while that one is reborn there.

This ascetic Gotama leads an order and a community, and tutors a community. He’s a well-known and famous religious founder, deemed holy by many people.This ascetic Gotama leads an order and a community, and tutors a community. He’s a well-known and famous religious founder, deemed holy by many people.When a disciple passes away, he declares thatWhen a disciple passes away, he declares thatthis one is reborn here, while that one is reborn there.this one is reborn here, while that one is reborn there.

But as for a disciple who is a supreme person, highest of people, having reached the highest point, when they pass away he doesn’t declare thatBut as for a disciple who is a supreme person, highest of people, having reached the highest point, when they pass away he doesn’t declare thatthis one is reborn here, while that one is reborn there.this one is reborn here, while that one is reborn there.Rather, he declares that they haveRather, he declares that they have

cut off craving, cast off the fetters, and by rightly comprehending conceit have made an end of suffering.’cut off craving, cast off the fetters, and by rightly comprehending conceit have made an end of suffering.’I had doubt and uncertainty about that:I had doubt and uncertainty about that:‘How on earth can I understand the ascetic Gotama’s teaching?’”‘How on earth can I understand the ascetic Gotama’s teaching?’”

“Vaccha, no wonder you’re doubting and uncertain.“Vaccha, no wonder you’re doubting and uncertain.Doubt has come up in you about an uncertain matter.Doubt has come up in you about an uncertain matter.I describe rebirth for someone who grasps fuel, not for someone who does not.I describe rebirth for someone who grasps fuel, not for someone who does not.

It’s like a fire which only burns with fuel, not without fuel.It’s like a fire which only burns with fuel, not without fuel.In the same way I describe rebirth for someone who grasps fuel, not for someone who doesn’t grasp fuel.”In the same way I describe rebirth for someone who grasps fuel, not for someone who doesn’t grasp fuel.”“But when a flame is blown away by the wind, what does the worthy Gotama say is its fuel then?”“But when a flame is blown away by the wind, what does the worthy Gotama say is its fuel then?”

“At such a time, I say that it’s fueled by the wind.“At such a time, I say that it’s fueled by the wind.For the wind is its fuel then.”For the wind is its fuel then.”“But when someone who is attached has laid down this body and has not been reborn in one of the realms, what does the worthy Gotama say is their fuel then?”“But when someone who is attached has laid down this body and has not been reborn in one of the realms, what does the worthy Gotama say is their fuel then?”

“When someone who is attached has laid down this body, Vaccha, and has not been reborn in one of the realms, I say they’re fueled by craving.“When someone who is attached has laid down this body, Vaccha, and has not been reborn in one of the realms, I say they’re fueled by craving.For craving is their fuel then.”For craving is their fuel then.”