相应部第 44 相应（Sujato 英译）第 8 阅读页 · SN44.8 · With Vacchagotta

Linked Discourses 44.8Linked Discourses 44.81. The Undeclared Points1. The Undeclared Points

With VacchagottaWith VacchagottaThen the wanderer Vacchagotta went up to the Buddha and exchanged greetings with him.Then the wanderer Vacchagotta went up to the Buddha and exchanged greetings with him.When the greetings and polite conversation were over, he sat down to one side, and said to the Buddha:When the greetings and polite conversation were over, he sat down to one side, and said to the Buddha:

“Worthy Gotama, is this right: ‘the cosmos is eternal’?”“Worthy Gotama, is this right: ‘the cosmos is eternal’?”“This has not been declared by me, Vaccha.” …“This has not been declared by me, Vaccha.” …“Then is this right: ‘a realized one neither still exists nor no longer exists after death’?”“Then is this right: ‘a realized one neither still exists nor no longer exists after death’?”

“This too has not been declared by me.”“This too has not been declared by me.”“What’s the cause, worthy Gotama, what’s the reason why, when the wanderers of other religions are asked these questions, they declare one of these to be true?“What’s the cause, worthy Gotama, what’s the reason why, when the wanderers of other religions are asked these questions, they declare one of these to be true?And what’s the reason why, when the worthy Gotama is asked these questions, he does not declare one of these to be true?”And what’s the reason why, when the worthy Gotama is asked these questions, he does not declare one of these to be true?”

“Vaccha, the wanderers of other religions regard form as self, self as having form, form in self, or self in form.“Vaccha, the wanderers of other religions regard form as self, self as having form, form in self, or self in form.They regard feeling …They regard feeling …perception …perception …

choices …choices …consciousness as self, self as having consciousness, consciousness in self, or self in consciousness.consciousness as self, self as having consciousness, consciousness in self, or self in consciousness.That’s why, when asked, they declare one of those answers to be true.That’s why, when asked, they declare one of those answers to be true.

The Realized One doesn’t regard form as self, self as having form, form in self, or self in form.The Realized One doesn’t regard form as self, self as having form, form in self, or self in form.He doesn’t regard feeling …He doesn’t regard feeling …perception …perception …

choices …choices …consciousness as self, self as having consciousness, consciousness in self, or self in consciousness.consciousness as self, self as having consciousness, consciousness in self, or self in consciousness.That’s why, when asked, he does not declare one of those answers to be true.”That’s why, when asked, he does not declare one of those answers to be true.”

Then the wanderer Vacchagotta rose from his seat and went to Venerable Mahāmoggallāna, and exchanged greetings with him.Then the wanderer Vacchagotta rose from his seat and went to Venerable Mahāmoggallāna, and exchanged greetings with him.When the greetings and polite conversation were over, he sat down to one side. He asked Mahāmoggallāna the same questions, and received the same answers.When the greetings and polite conversation were over, he sat down to one side. He asked Mahāmoggallāna the same questions, and received the same answers.He said, “It’s incredible, worthy Moggallāna, it’s amazing.He said, “It’s incredible, worthy Moggallāna, it’s amazing.

How the meaning and the phrasing of the Teacher and the disciple fit together and agree without contradiction when it comes to the chief matter!How the meaning and the phrasing of the Teacher and the disciple fit together and agree without contradiction when it comes to the chief matter!Just now I went to the ascetic Gotama and asked him about this matter.Just now I went to the ascetic Gotama and asked him about this matter.And he explained it to me with these words and phrases, just like the worthy Moggallāna.And he explained it to me with these words and phrases, just like the worthy Moggallāna.

It’s incredible, worthy Moggallāna, it’s amazing!It’s incredible, worthy Moggallāna, it’s amazing!How the meaning and the phrasing of the Teacher and the disciple fit together and agree without contradiction when it comes to the chief matter!”How the meaning and the phrasing of the Teacher and the disciple fit together and agree without contradiction when it comes to the chief matter!”