相应部第 41 相应（Sujato 英译）第 6 阅读页 · SN41.6 · With Kāmabhū (2nd)

Linked Discourses 41.6Linked Discourses 41.61. With Citta1. With Citta

With Kāmabhū (2nd)With Kāmabhū (2nd)At one time Venerable Kāmabhū was staying near Macchikāsaṇḍa in the Wild Mango Grove.At one time Venerable Kāmabhū was staying near Macchikāsaṇḍa in the Wild Mango Grove.Then Citta the householder went up to Venerable Kāmabhū, sat down to one side, and said to him:Then Citta the householder went up to Venerable Kāmabhū, sat down to one side, and said to him:

“Sir, how many processes are there?”“Sir, how many processes are there?”“Householder, there are three processes.“Householder, there are three processes.The physical process, the verbal process, and the mental process.”The physical process, the verbal process, and the mental process.”

Saying “Good, sir,” Citta approved and agreed with what Kāmabhū said. Then he asked another question:Saying “Good, sir,” Citta approved and agreed with what Kāmabhū said. Then he asked another question:“But sir, what is the physical process? What’s the verbal process? What’s the mental process?”“But sir, what is the physical process? What’s the verbal process? What’s the mental process?”“Breathing is a physical process. Placing the mind and keeping it connected are a verbal process. Perception and feeling are a mental process.”“Breathing is a physical process. Placing the mind and keeping it connected are a verbal process. Perception and feeling are a mental process.”

Saying “Good, sir,” he asked another question:Saying “Good, sir,” he asked another question:“But sir, why is breathing a physical process? Why are placing the mind and keeping it connected a verbal process? Why are perception and feeling a mental process?”“But sir, why is breathing a physical process? Why are placing the mind and keeping it connected a verbal process? Why are perception and feeling a mental process?”“Breathing is physical. It’s tied up with the body, that’s why breathing is a physical process.“Breathing is physical. It’s tied up with the body, that’s why breathing is a physical process.

First you place the mind and keep it connected, then you break into speech. That’s why placing the mind and keeping it connected are a verbal process.First you place the mind and keep it connected, then you break into speech. That’s why placing the mind and keeping it connected are a verbal process.Perception and feeling are mental. They’re tied up with the mind, that’s why perception and feeling are a mental process.”Perception and feeling are mental. They’re tied up with the mind, that’s why perception and feeling are a mental process.”Saying “Good, sir,” he asked another question:Saying “Good, sir,” he asked another question:

“But sir, how does someone attain the cessation of perception and feeling?”“But sir, how does someone attain the cessation of perception and feeling?”“A mendicant who is entering such an attainment does not think:“A mendicant who is entering such an attainment does not think:‘I will enter the cessation of perception and feeling’ or ‘I am entering the cessation of perception and feeling’ or ‘I have entered the cessation of perception and feeling.’‘I will enter the cessation of perception and feeling’ or ‘I am entering the cessation of perception and feeling’ or ‘I have entered the cessation of perception and feeling.’

Rather, their mind has been previously developed so as to lead to such a state.”Rather, their mind has been previously developed so as to lead to such a state.”Saying “Good, sir,” he asked another question:Saying “Good, sir,” he asked another question:“But sir, which cease first for a mendicant who is entering the cessation of perception and feeling: the physical, verbal, or mental process?”“But sir, which cease first for a mendicant who is entering the cessation of perception and feeling: the physical, verbal, or mental process?”

“The verbal process ceases first, then physical, then mental.”“The verbal process ceases first, then physical, then mental.”Saying “Good, sir,” he asked another question:Saying “Good, sir,” he asked another question:“What’s the difference between someone who has passed away and a mendicant who has attained the cessation of perception and feeling?”“What’s the difference between someone who has passed away and a mendicant who has attained the cessation of perception and feeling?”

“When someone dies, their physical, verbal, and mental processes have ceased and stilled; their vitality is spent; their warmth is dissipated; and their faculties have disintegrated.“When someone dies, their physical, verbal, and mental processes have ceased and stilled; their vitality is spent; their warmth is dissipated; and their faculties have disintegrated.When a mendicant has attained the cessation of perception and feeling, their physical, verbal, and mental processes have ceased and stilled. But their vitality is not spent; their warmth is not dissipated; and their faculties are very clear.When a mendicant has attained the cessation of perception and feeling, their physical, verbal, and mental processes have ceased and stilled. But their vitality is not spent; their warmth is not dissipated; and their faculties are very clear.

That’s the difference between someone who has passed away and a mendicant who has attained the cessation of perception and feeling.”That’s the difference between someone who has passed away and a mendicant who has attained the cessation of perception and feeling.”Saying “Good, sir,” he asked another question:Saying “Good, sir,” he asked another question:“But sir, how does someone emerge from the cessation of perception and feeling?”“But sir, how does someone emerge from the cessation of perception and feeling?”

“A mendicant who is emerging from such an attainment does not think:“A mendicant who is emerging from such an attainment does not think:‘I will emerge from the cessation of perception and feeling’ or ‘I am emerging from the cessation of perception and feeling’ or ‘I have emerged from the cessation of perception and feeling.’‘I will emerge from the cessation of perception and feeling’ or ‘I am emerging from the cessation of perception and feeling’ or ‘I have emerged from the cessation of perception and feeling.’Rather, their mind has been previously developed so as to lead to such a state.”Rather, their mind has been previously developed so as to lead to such a state.”

Saying “Good, sir,” he asked another question:Saying “Good, sir,” he asked another question:“But sir, which arise first for a mendicant who is emerging from the cessation of perception and feeling: the physical, verbal, or mental process?”“But sir, which arise first for a mendicant who is emerging from the cessation of perception and feeling: the physical, verbal, or mental process?”“The mental process arises first, then physical, then verbal.”“The mental process arises first, then physical, then verbal.”

Saying “Good, sir,” he asked another question:Saying “Good, sir,” he asked another question:“But sir, when a mendicant has emerged from the attainment of the cessation of perception and feeling, how many kinds of contact do they experience?”“But sir, when a mendicant has emerged from the attainment of the cessation of perception and feeling, how many kinds of contact do they experience?”“They experience three kinds of contact:“They experience three kinds of contact:

emptiness, signless, and undirected contacts.”emptiness, signless, and undirected contacts.”Saying “Good, sir,” he asked another question:Saying “Good, sir,” he asked another question:“But sir, when a mendicant has emerged from the attainment of the cessation of perception and feeling, what does their mind slant, slope, and incline to?”“But sir, when a mendicant has emerged from the attainment of the cessation of perception and feeling, what does their mind slant, slope, and incline to?”

“Their mind slants, slopes, and inclines to seclusion.”“Their mind slants, slopes, and inclines to seclusion.”Saying “Good, sir,” Citta approved and agreed with what Kāmabhū said. Then he asked another question:Saying “Good, sir,” Citta approved and agreed with what Kāmabhū said. Then he asked another question:“But sir, how many things are helpful for attaining the cessation of perception and feeling?”“But sir, how many things are helpful for attaining the cessation of perception and feeling?”

“Well, householder, you’ve finally asked what you should have asked first!“Well, householder, you’ve finally asked what you should have asked first!Nevertheless, I will answer you.Nevertheless, I will answer you.Two things are helpful for attaining the cessation of perception and feeling:Two things are helpful for attaining the cessation of perception and feeling:

serenity and discernment.”serenity and discernment.”