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With Kaḷāra the AristocratWith Kaḷāra the AristocratAt Sāvatthī.At Sāvatthī.Then the mendicant Kaḷāra the Aristocrat went up to Venerable Sāriputta and exchanged greetings with him.Then the mendicant Kaḷāra the Aristocrat went up to Venerable Sāriputta and exchanged greetings with him.

When the greetings and polite conversation were over, he sat down to one side and said to him,When the greetings and polite conversation were over, he sat down to one side and said to him,“Reverend Sāriputta, the mendicant Phagguna of the Top-Knot has resigned the training and returned to a lesser life.”“Reverend Sāriputta, the mendicant Phagguna of the Top-Knot has resigned the training and returned to a lesser life.”“That venerable mustn’t have gained any solace in this teaching and training.”“That venerable mustn’t have gained any solace in this teaching and training.”

“Well then, has Venerable Sāriputta found solace in this teaching and training?”“Well then, has Venerable Sāriputta found solace in this teaching and training?”“Reverend, I have no uncertainty.”“Reverend, I have no uncertainty.”“But what of the future?”“But what of the future?”

“I have no doubt.”“I have no doubt.”Then Kaḷāra the Aristocrat went up to the Buddha, bowed, sat down to one side, and said to him,Then Kaḷāra the Aristocrat went up to the Buddha, bowed, sat down to one side, and said to him,“Sir, Venerable Sāriputta has declared enlightenment:“Sir, Venerable Sāriputta has declared enlightenment:

‘I understand: “Rebirth is ended, the spiritual journey has been completed, what had to be done has been done, there is nothing further for this place.”’”‘I understand: “Rebirth is ended, the spiritual journey has been completed, what had to be done has been done, there is nothing further for this place.”’”So the Buddha addressed one of the monks,So the Buddha addressed one of the monks,“Please, monk, in my name tell Sāriputta that“Please, monk, in my name tell Sāriputta that

the Teacher summons him.”the Teacher summons him.”“Yes, sir,” that monk replied. He went to Sāriputta and said to him,“Yes, sir,” that monk replied. He went to Sāriputta and said to him,“Reverend Sāriputta, the Teacher summons you.”“Reverend Sāriputta, the Teacher summons you.”

“Yes, reverend,” replied Sāriputta. He went to the Buddha, bowed, and sat down to one side. The Buddha said to him,“Yes, reverend,” replied Sāriputta. He went to the Buddha, bowed, and sat down to one side. The Buddha said to him,“Sāriputta, is it really true that you have declared enlightenment:“Sāriputta, is it really true that you have declared enlightenment:‘I understand: “Rebirth is ended, the spiritual journey has been completed, what had to be done has been done, there is nothing further for this place”’?”‘I understand: “Rebirth is ended, the spiritual journey has been completed, what had to be done has been done, there is nothing further for this place”’?”

“Sir, I did not state the matter in these words and phrases.”“Sir, I did not state the matter in these words and phrases.”“Sāriputta, no matter how a gentleman declares enlightenment, what he has declared should be regarded as such.”“Sāriputta, no matter how a gentleman declares enlightenment, what he has declared should be regarded as such.”“Sir, did I not also say that“Sir, did I not also say that

I did not state the matter in these words and phrases?”I did not state the matter in these words and phrases?”“Sāriputta, suppose they were to ask you:“Sāriputta, suppose they were to ask you:‘But Reverend Sāriputta, how have you known and seen so that you’ve declared enlightenment:‘But Reverend Sāriputta, how have you known and seen so that you’ve declared enlightenment:

“I understand: ‘Rebirth is ended, the spiritual journey has been completed, what had to be done has been done, there is nothing further for this place.’”’“I understand: ‘Rebirth is ended, the spiritual journey has been completed, what had to be done has been done, there is nothing further for this place.’”’How would you answer?”How would you answer?”“Sir, if they were to ask me this,“Sir, if they were to ask me this,

I would answer:I would answer:‘Reverends, when the source of rebirth ended, I knew “it is ended”.‘Reverends, when the source of rebirth ended, I knew “it is ended”.Knowing it is ended,Knowing it is ended,

I understand: “Rebirth is ended, the spiritual journey has been completed, what had to be done has been done, there is nothing further for this place.”’I understand: “Rebirth is ended, the spiritual journey has been completed, what had to be done has been done, there is nothing further for this place.”’That’s how I’d answer such a question.”That’s how I’d answer such a question.”“But Sāriputta, suppose they were to ask you:“But Sāriputta, suppose they were to ask you:

‘But what is the source, origin, birthplace, and inception of rebirth?’‘But what is the source, origin, birthplace, and inception of rebirth?’How would you answer?”How would you answer?”“Sir, if they were to ask me this,“Sir, if they were to ask me this,

I would answer:I would answer:‘Continued existence is the source, origin, birthplace, and inception of rebirth.’‘Continued existence is the source, origin, birthplace, and inception of rebirth.’That’s how I’d answer such a question.”That’s how I’d answer such a question.”

“But Sāriputta, suppose they were to ask you:“But Sāriputta, suppose they were to ask you:‘What is the source of continued existence?’‘What is the source of continued existence?’How would you answer?”How would you answer?”

“Sir, if they were to ask me this,“Sir, if they were to ask me this,I’d answer:I’d answer:‘Grasping is the source of continued existence.’‘Grasping is the source of continued existence.’

That’s how I’d answer such a question.”That’s how I’d answer such a question.”“But Sāriputta, suppose they were to ask you:“But Sāriputta, suppose they were to ask you:‘What is the source of grasping?’ …‘What is the source of grasping?’ …

But Sāriputta, suppose they were to ask you:But Sāriputta, suppose they were to ask you:‘What is the source of craving?’‘What is the source of craving?’How would you answer?”How would you answer?”

“Sir, if they were to ask me this,“Sir, if they were to ask me this,I’d answer:I’d answer:‘Feeling is the source of craving.’‘Feeling is the source of craving.’

That’s how I’d answer such a question.”That’s how I’d answer such a question.”“But Sāriputta, suppose they were to ask you:“But Sāriputta, suppose they were to ask you:‘But how have you known and seen so that the relishing of feelings is no longer present?’‘But how have you known and seen so that the relishing of feelings is no longer present?’

How would you answer?”How would you answer?”“Sir, if they were to ask me this,“Sir, if they were to ask me this,I’d answer:I’d answer:

‘Reverends, there are three feelings.‘Reverends, there are three feelings.What three?What three?Pleasant, painful, and neutral feeling.Pleasant, painful, and neutral feeling.

These three feelings are impermanent,These three feelings are impermanent,and what’s impermanent is suffering.and what’s impermanent is suffering.When I understood this, the relishing of feelings was no longer present.’When I understood this, the relishing of feelings was no longer present.’

That’s how I’d answer such a question.”That’s how I’d answer such a question.”“Good, good, Sāriputta!“Good, good, Sāriputta!The same point may also be briefly explained in this way:The same point may also be briefly explained in this way:

‘Suffering includes whatever is felt.’‘Suffering includes whatever is felt.’But Sāriputta, suppose they were to ask you:But Sāriputta, suppose they were to ask you:‘But Reverend, how have you been liberated that you declare enlightenment:‘But Reverend, how have you been liberated that you declare enlightenment:

“I understand: ‘Rebirth is ended, the spiritual journey has been completed, what had to be done has been done, there is nothing further for this place.’”?’“I understand: ‘Rebirth is ended, the spiritual journey has been completed, what had to be done has been done, there is nothing further for this place.’”?’How would you answer?”How would you answer?”“Sir, if they were to ask me this,“Sir, if they were to ask me this,

I’d answer:I’d answer:‘Because of an inner release with the ending of all grasping, I live mindfully so that defilements don’t defile me and I don’t look down on myself.’‘Because of an inner release with the ending of all grasping, I live mindfully so that defilements don’t defile me and I don’t look down on myself.’That’s how I’d answer such a question.”That’s how I’d answer such a question.”

“Good, good, Sāriputta!“Good, good, Sāriputta!The same point may also be briefly explained in this way:The same point may also be briefly explained in this way:‘I have no uncertainty regarding the defilements spoken of by the ascetic. I have no doubt that I’ve given them up.’”‘I have no uncertainty regarding the defilements spoken of by the ascetic. I have no doubt that I’ve given them up.’”

That is what the Buddha said.That is what the Buddha said.When he had spoken, the Holy One rose from his seat and entered his dwelling.When he had spoken, the Holy One rose from his seat and entered his dwelling.Then, not long after the Buddha left, Venerable Sāriputta said to the mendicants,Then, not long after the Buddha left, Venerable Sāriputta said to the mendicants,

“Reverends, the Buddha asked me the first question without letting me know beforehand, so I hesitated.“Reverends, the Buddha asked me the first question without letting me know beforehand, so I hesitated.But when the Buddha agreed with my answer, I thought:But when the Buddha agreed with my answer, I thought:‘If the Buddha were to question me all day on this matter in different words and ways, I could answer all day with different words and ways.‘If the Buddha were to question me all day on this matter in different words and ways, I could answer all day with different words and ways.

If he were to question me all night,If he were to question me all night,all day and night,all day and night,for two days and nights,for two days and nights,

for three,for three,four,four,five,five,

six,six,or seven days and nights, I could answer in different words and ways for seven days and nights.’”or seven days and nights, I could answer in different words and ways for seven days and nights.’”Then Kaḷāra the Aristocrat went up to the Buddha, bowed, sat down to one side, and said to him,Then Kaḷāra the Aristocrat went up to the Buddha, bowed, sat down to one side, and said to him,

“Sir, Venerable Sāriputta has roared his lion’s roar!”“Sir, Venerable Sāriputta has roared his lion’s roar!”(And he told the Buddha all that Sāriputta had said.)(And he told the Buddha all that Sāriputta had said.)“Mendicant, Sāriputta has clearly penetrated the principle of the teachings, so that he could answer any questions I might ask him in different words and ways up to the seventh day and night.”“Mendicant, Sāriputta has clearly penetrated the principle of the teachings, so that he could answer any questions I might ask him in different words and ways up to the seventh day and night.”