中部第 75 经（Sujato 英译）第 1 阅读页 · With Māgaṇḍiya · 1/3

Middle Discourses 75Middle Discourses 75With MāgaṇḍiyaWith Māgaṇḍiya

So I have heard.So I have heard.At one time the Buddha was staying in the land of the Kurus, near the Kuru town named Kammāsadamma, on a grass mat in the fire chamber of a brahmin of the Bhāradvāja clan.At one time the Buddha was staying in the land of the Kurus, near the Kuru town named Kammāsadamma, on a grass mat in the fire chamber of a brahmin of the Bhāradvāja clan.Then the Buddha robed up in the morning and, taking his bowl and robe, entered Kammāsadamma for alms.Then the Buddha robed up in the morning and, taking his bowl and robe, entered Kammāsadamma for alms.

He wandered for alms in Kammāsadamma. After the meal, on his return from almsround, he went to a certain forest grove for the day’s meditation.He wandered for alms in Kammāsadamma. After the meal, on his return from almsround, he went to a certain forest grove for the day’s meditation.Having plunged deep into it, he sat at the root of a certain tree to meditate.Having plunged deep into it, he sat at the root of a certain tree to meditate.Then as the wanderer Māgaṇḍiya was going for a walk he approached that fire chamber.Then as the wanderer Māgaṇḍiya was going for a walk he approached that fire chamber.

He saw the grass mat spread out thereHe saw the grass mat spread out thereand asked the brahmin of the Bhāradvāja clan,and asked the brahmin of the Bhāradvāja clan,“Worthy Bhāradvāja, who has this grass mat been spread out for? It looks like an ascetic’s bed.”“Worthy Bhāradvāja, who has this grass mat been spread out for? It looks like an ascetic’s bed.”

“There is the ascetic Gotama, a Sakyan, gone forth from a Sakyan family.“There is the ascetic Gotama, a Sakyan, gone forth from a Sakyan family.He has this good reputation:He has this good reputation:‘That Blessed One is perfected, a fully awakened Buddha, accomplished in knowledge and conduct, holy, knower of the world, supreme guide for those fit for training, teacher of gods and humans, awakened, blessed.’‘That Blessed One is perfected, a fully awakened Buddha, accomplished in knowledge and conduct, holy, knower of the world, supreme guide for those fit for training, teacher of gods and humans, awakened, blessed.’

This bed has been spread for that worthy Gotama.”This bed has been spread for that worthy Gotama.”“Well, it’s a sad sight, worthy Bhāradvāja,“Well, it’s a sad sight, worthy Bhāradvāja,a very sad sight indeed,a very sad sight indeed,

to see a bed for the worthy Gotama, that baby-killer!”to see a bed for the worthy Gotama, that baby-killer!”“Be careful what you say, Māgaṇḍiya,“Be careful what you say, Māgaṇḍiya,be careful what you say.be careful what you say.

Many astute aristocrats, brahmins, householders, and ascetics are devoted to the worthy Gotama. They’ve been guided by him in the noble system, the skillful teaching.”Many astute aristocrats, brahmins, householders, and ascetics are devoted to the worthy Gotama. They’ve been guided by him in the noble system, the skillful teaching.”“Even if I was to see the worthy Gotama face to face, worthy Bhāradvāja, I would say to his face:“Even if I was to see the worthy Gotama face to face, worthy Bhāradvāja, I would say to his face:‘The ascetic Gotama is a baby-killer.’‘The ascetic Gotama is a baby-killer.’

Why is that?Why is that?For so it came to me while sleeping.”For so it came to me while sleeping.”“If you don’t mind, I’ll tell the ascetic Gotama about this.”“If you don’t mind, I’ll tell the ascetic Gotama about this.”

“Don’t worry, worthy Bhāradvāja. You may tell him exactly what I’ve said.”“Don’t worry, worthy Bhāradvāja. You may tell him exactly what I’ve said.”With clairaudience that is purified and superhuman, the Buddha heard this discussion between the brahmin of the Bhāradvāja clan and the wanderer Māgaṇḍiya.With clairaudience that is purified and superhuman, the Buddha heard this discussion between the brahmin of the Bhāradvāja clan and the wanderer Māgaṇḍiya.Coming out of retreat, he went to the brahmin’s fire chamber and sat on the grass mat.Coming out of retreat, he went to the brahmin’s fire chamber and sat on the grass mat.

Then the brahmin of the Bhāradvāja clan went to the Buddha and exchanged greetings with him.Then the brahmin of the Bhāradvāja clan went to the Buddha and exchanged greetings with him.When the greetings and polite conversation were over, he sat down to one side. The Buddha said to him,When the greetings and polite conversation were over, he sat down to one side. The Buddha said to him,“Bhāradvāja, did you have a discussion with the wanderer Māgaṇḍiya about this grass mat?”“Bhāradvāja, did you have a discussion with the wanderer Māgaṇḍiya about this grass mat?”

When he said this, the brahmin, shocked and awestruck, said to the Buddha,When he said this, the brahmin, shocked and awestruck, said to the Buddha,“I wanted to mention this very thing to the worthy Gotama,“I wanted to mention this very thing to the worthy Gotama,but you brought it up before I had a chance.”but you brought it up before I had a chance.”

But this conversation between the Buddha and the brahmin was left unfinished.But this conversation between the Buddha and the brahmin was left unfinished.Then as the wanderer Māgaṇḍiya was going for a walk he approached that fire chamber. He went up to the Buddha, and exchanged greetings with him.Then as the wanderer Māgaṇḍiya was going for a walk he approached that fire chamber. He went up to the Buddha, and exchanged greetings with him.When the greetings and polite conversation were over, he sat down to one side, and the Buddha said to him:When the greetings and polite conversation were over, he sat down to one side, and the Buddha said to him:

“Māgaṇḍiya, the eye likes sights, it loves them and enjoys them.“Māgaṇḍiya, the eye likes sights, it loves them and enjoys them.That’s been tamed, guarded, protected and restrained by the Realized One, and he teaches Dhamma for its restraint.That’s been tamed, guarded, protected and restrained by the Realized One, and he teaches Dhamma for its restraint.Is that what you were referring to when you called meIs that what you were referring to when you called me

a baby-killer?”a baby-killer?”“That’s exactly what I was referring to.“That’s exactly what I was referring to.Why is that?Why is that?

For so it came to me while sleeping.”For so it came to me while sleeping.”“The ear likes sounds …“The ear likes sounds …The nose likes smells …The nose likes smells …

The tongue likes tastes …The tongue likes tastes …The body likes touches …The body likes touches …The mind likes ideas, it loves them and enjoys them.The mind likes ideas, it loves them and enjoys them.

That’s been tamed, guarded, protected and restrained by the Realized One, and he teaches Dhamma for its restraint.That’s been tamed, guarded, protected and restrained by the Realized One, and he teaches Dhamma for its restraint.Is that what you were referring to when you called meIs that what you were referring to when you called mea baby-killer?”a baby-killer?”

“That’s exactly what I was referring to.“That’s exactly what I was referring to.Why is that?Why is that?For so it came to me while sleeping.”For so it came to me while sleeping.”

“What do you think, Māgaṇḍiya?“What do you think, Māgaṇḍiya?Take someone who used to amuse themselves with sights known by the eye, which are likable, desirable, agreeable, pleasant, sensual, and arousing. Some time later—having truly understood the origin, ending, gratification, drawback, and escape of sights, and having given up craving and dispelled passion for sights—they would live rid of thirst, their mind settled internally.Take someone who used to amuse themselves with sights known by the eye, which are likable, desirable, agreeable, pleasant, sensual, and arousing. Some time later—having truly understood the origin, ending, gratification, drawback, and escape of sights, and having given up craving and dispelled passion for sights—they would live rid of thirst, their mind settled internally.

What would you have to say to them, Māgaṇḍiya?”What would you have to say to them, Māgaṇḍiya?”“Nothing, worthy Gotama.”“Nothing, worthy Gotama.”“What do you think, Māgaṇḍiya?“What do you think, Māgaṇḍiya?

Take someone who used to amuse themselves with sounds known by the ear …Take someone who used to amuse themselves with sounds known by the ear …smells known by the nose …smells known by the nose …tastes known by the tongue …tastes known by the tongue …

touches known by the body, which are likable, desirable, agreeable, pleasant, sensual, and arousing.touches known by the body, which are likable, desirable, agreeable, pleasant, sensual, and arousing.Some time later—having truly understood the origin, ending, gratification, drawback, and escape of touches, and having given up craving and dispelled passion for touches—they would live rid of thirst, their mind settled internally.Some time later—having truly understood the origin, ending, gratification, drawback, and escape of touches, and having given up craving and dispelled passion for touches—they would live rid of thirst, their mind settled internally.What would you have to say to them, Māgaṇḍiya?”What would you have to say to them, Māgaṇḍiya?”

“Nothing, worthy Gotama.”“Nothing, worthy Gotama.”“Well, when I was still a layperson I used to amuse myself, supplied and provided with sights known by the eye … sounds known by the ear …“Well, when I was still a layperson I used to amuse myself, supplied and provided with sights known by the eye … sounds known by the ear …smells known by the nose …smells known by the nose …

tastes known by the tongue …tastes known by the tongue …touches known by the body, which are likable, desirable, agreeable, pleasant, sensual, and arousing.touches known by the body, which are likable, desirable, agreeable, pleasant, sensual, and arousing.I had three stilt longhouses—I had three stilt longhouses—

one for the rainy season, one for the winter, and one for the summer.one for the rainy season, one for the winter, and one for the summer.I stayed in a stilt longhouse without coming downstairs for the four months of the rainy season, where I was entertained by musicians—none of them men.I stayed in a stilt longhouse without coming downstairs for the four months of the rainy season, where I was entertained by musicians—none of them men.Some time later—having truly understood the origin, ending, gratification, drawback, and escape of sensual pleasures, and having given up craving and dispelled passion for sensual pleasures—I live rid of thirst, my mind settled internally.Some time later—having truly understood the origin, ending, gratification, drawback, and escape of sensual pleasures, and having given up craving and dispelled passion for sensual pleasures—I live rid of thirst, my mind settled internally.

I see other sentient beings who are not free from sensual pleasures being consumed by craving for sensual pleasures, burning with passion for sensual pleasures, indulging in sensual pleasures.I see other sentient beings who are not free from sensual pleasures being consumed by craving for sensual pleasures, burning with passion for sensual pleasures, indulging in sensual pleasures.I don’t envy them, nor do I hope to enjoy that.I don’t envy them, nor do I hope to enjoy that.Why is that?Why is that?

Because there is a satisfaction that is apart from sensual pleasures and unskillful qualities,Because there is a satisfaction that is apart from sensual pleasures and unskillful qualities,which even equals heavenly pleasure.which even equals heavenly pleasure.Enjoying that satisfaction, I don’t envy what is inferior, nor do I hope to enjoy it.Enjoying that satisfaction, I don’t envy what is inferior, nor do I hope to enjoy it.

Suppose there was a householder or a householder’s child who was rich, affluent, and wealthy. And they would amuse themselves, supplied and provided with the five kinds of sensual stimulation. That is, sights known by the eye …Suppose there was a householder or a householder’s child who was rich, affluent, and wealthy. And they would amuse themselves, supplied and provided with the five kinds of sensual stimulation. That is, sights known by the eye …sounds … smells … tastes …sounds … smells … tastes …touches known by the body, which are likable, desirable, agreeable, pleasant, sensual, and arousing.touches known by the body, which are likable, desirable, agreeable, pleasant, sensual, and arousing.

Having practiced good conduct by way of body, speech, and mind, when their body breaks up, after death, they’d be reborn in a good place, a heavenly realm, in the company of the gods of the thirty-three.Having practiced good conduct by way of body, speech, and mind, when their body breaks up, after death, they’d be reborn in a good place, a heavenly realm, in the company of the gods of the thirty-three.There they’d amuse themselves in the Garden of Delight, escorted by a band of nymphs, supplied and provided with the five kinds of heavenly sensual stimulation.There they’d amuse themselves in the Garden of Delight, escorted by a band of nymphs, supplied and provided with the five kinds of heavenly sensual stimulation.

Then they’d see a householder or a householder’s child amusing themselves, supplied and provided with the five kinds of sensual stimulation.Then they’d see a householder or a householder’s child amusing themselves, supplied and provided with the five kinds of sensual stimulation.What do you think, Māgaṇḍiya? Would that god—amusing themselves in the Garden of Delight, escorted by a band of nymphs, supplied and provided with the five kinds of heavenly sensual stimulation—envy that householder or householder’s child their five kinds of human sensual stimulation, or return to human sensual pleasures?”What do you think, Māgaṇḍiya? Would that god—amusing themselves in the Garden of Delight, escorted by a band of nymphs, supplied and provided with the five kinds of heavenly sensual stimulation—envy that householder or householder’s child their five kinds of human sensual stimulation, or return to human sensual pleasures?”

“No, worthy Gotama.“No, worthy Gotama.Why is that?Why is that?Because heavenly sensual pleasures are better than human sensual pleasures.”Because heavenly sensual pleasures are better than human sensual pleasures.”

“In the same way, Māgaṇḍiya, when I was still a layperson I used to amuse myself with sights … sounds …“In the same way, Māgaṇḍiya, when I was still a layperson I used to amuse myself with sights … sounds …smells …smells …tastes …tastes …

touches known by the body, which are likable, desirable, agreeable, pleasant, sensual, and arousing.touches known by the body, which are likable, desirable, agreeable, pleasant, sensual, and arousing.Some time later—having truly understood the origin, ending, gratification, drawback, and escape of sensual pleasures, and having given up craving and dispelled passion for sensual pleasures—I live rid of thirst, my mind settled internally.Some time later—having truly understood the origin, ending, gratification, drawback, and escape of sensual pleasures, and having given up craving and dispelled passion for sensual pleasures—I live rid of thirst, my mind settled internally.I see other sentient beings who are not free from sensual pleasures being consumed by craving for sensual pleasures, burning with passion for sensual pleasures, indulging in sensual pleasures. I don’t envy them, nor do I hope to enjoy that.I see other sentient beings who are not free from sensual pleasures being consumed by craving for sensual pleasures, burning with passion for sensual pleasures, indulging in sensual pleasures. I don’t envy them, nor do I hope to enjoy that.

Why is that?Why is that?Because there is a satisfaction that is apart from sensual pleasures and unskillful qualities,Because there is a satisfaction that is apart from sensual pleasures and unskillful qualities,which even equals heavenly pleasure.which even equals heavenly pleasure.

Enjoying that satisfaction, I don’t envy what is inferior, nor do I hope to enjoy it.Enjoying that satisfaction, I don’t envy what is inferior, nor do I hope to enjoy it.Suppose there was a person affected by leprosy, with sores and blisters on their limbs. Being devoured by worms, scratching with their nails at the opening of their wounds, they’d cauterize their body over a pit of glowing coals.Suppose there was a person affected by leprosy, with sores and blisters on their limbs. Being devoured by worms, scratching with their nails at the opening of their wounds, they’d cauterize their body over a pit of glowing coals.Their friends and colleagues, relatives and kin would get a surgeon to treat them.Their friends and colleagues, relatives and kin would get a surgeon to treat them.

The surgeon would make medicine for them,The surgeon would make medicine for them,and by using that they’d be cured of leprosy. They’d be healthy, happy, autonomous, master of themselves, able to go where they wanted.and by using that they’d be cured of leprosy. They’d be healthy, happy, autonomous, master of themselves, able to go where they wanted.Then they’d see another person affected by leprosy, with sores and blisters on their limbs, being devoured by worms, scratching with their nails at the opening of their wounds, cauterizing their body over a pit of glowing coals.Then they’d see another person affected by leprosy, with sores and blisters on their limbs, being devoured by worms, scratching with their nails at the opening of their wounds, cauterizing their body over a pit of glowing coals.

What do you think, Māgaṇḍiya?What do you think, Māgaṇḍiya?Would that person envy that other person affected by leprosy for their pit of glowing coals or for taking medicine?”Would that person envy that other person affected by leprosy for their pit of glowing coals or for taking medicine?”“No, worthy Gotama.“No, worthy Gotama.

Why is that?Why is that?Because you need to take medicine only when there’s a disease. When there’s no disease, there’s no need for medicine.”Because you need to take medicine only when there’s a disease. When there’s no disease, there’s no need for medicine.”“In the same way, Māgaṇḍiya, when I was still a layperson I used to amuse myself with sights … sounds …“In the same way, Māgaṇḍiya, when I was still a layperson I used to amuse myself with sights … sounds …

smells …smells …tastes …tastes …touches known by the body, which are likable, desirable, agreeable, pleasant, sensual, and arousing.touches known by the body, which are likable, desirable, agreeable, pleasant, sensual, and arousing.

Some time later—having truly understood the origin, ending, gratification, drawback, and escape of sensual pleasures, and having given up craving and dispelled passion for sensual pleasures—I live rid of thirst, my mind settled internally.Some time later—having truly understood the origin, ending, gratification, drawback, and escape of sensual pleasures, and having given up craving and dispelled passion for sensual pleasures—I live rid of thirst, my mind settled internally.I see other sentient beings who are not free from sensual pleasures being consumed by craving for sensual pleasures, burning with passion for sensual pleasures, indulging in sensual pleasures.I see other sentient beings who are not free from sensual pleasures being consumed by craving for sensual pleasures, burning with passion for sensual pleasures, indulging in sensual pleasures.

I don’t envy them, nor do I hope to enjoy that.I don’t envy them, nor do I hope to enjoy that.Why is that?Why is that?