经集（Sujato 英译）第 78 阅读页 · SNP5.8 · The Questions of Nanda

Anthology of Discourses 5.8Anthology of Discourses 5.8The Questions of NandaThe Questions of Nanda

“People say there are sages in the world,”“People say there are sages in the world,”said Venerable Nanda,said Venerable Nanda,“but how is this the case?“but how is this the case?

Is someone called a sage because of their knowledge,Is someone called a sage because of their knowledge,or because of their way of life?”or because of their way of life?”“Experts do not speak of a sage in terms of“Experts do not speak of a sage in terms of

view, learning, or knowledge.view, learning, or knowledge.Those who are sages live far from the crowd, I say,Those who are sages live far from the crowd, I say,untroubled, with no need for hope.”untroubled, with no need for hope.”

“As to those ascetics and brahmins,”“As to those ascetics and brahmins,”said Venerable Nanda,said Venerable Nanda,“who speak of purity in terms of what is seen or heard,“who speak of purity in terms of what is seen or heard,

or in terms of precepts and vows,or in terms of precepts and vows,or in terms of countless different things.or in terms of countless different things.Living self-controlled in that matter,Living self-controlled in that matter,

have they crossed over rebirth and old age, good fellow?have they crossed over rebirth and old age, good fellow?I ask you, Blessed One; please tell me this.”I ask you, Blessed One; please tell me this.”“As to those ascetics and brahmins,”“As to those ascetics and brahmins,”

replied the Buddha,replied the Buddha,“who speak of purity in terms of what is seen or heard,“who speak of purity in terms of what is seen or heard,or in terms of precepts and vows,or in terms of precepts and vows,

or in terms of countless different things.or in terms of countless different things.Even though they live self-controlled in that matter,Even though they live self-controlled in that matter,they’ve not crossed over rebirth and old age, I declare.”they’ve not crossed over rebirth and old age, I declare.”

“As to those ascetics and brahmins,”“As to those ascetics and brahmins,”said Venerable Nanda,said Venerable Nanda,“who speak of purity in terms of what is seen or heard,“who speak of purity in terms of what is seen or heard,

or in terms of precepts and vows,or in terms of precepts and vows,or in terms of countless different things.or in terms of countless different things.You say they have not crossed the flood, sage.You say they have not crossed the flood, sage.

So who then in the world of gods and humansSo who then in the world of gods and humanshas crossed over rebirth and old age, good fellow?has crossed over rebirth and old age, good fellow?I ask you, Blessed One; please tell me this.”I ask you, Blessed One; please tell me this.”

“I don’t say that all ascetics and brahmins,”“I don’t say that all ascetics and brahmins,”replied the Buddha,replied the Buddha,“are shrouded by rebirth and old age.“are shrouded by rebirth and old age.

There are those here who have given up allThere are those here who have given up allthat is seen, heard, and thought, and precepts and vows,that is seen, heard, and thought, and precepts and vows,who have given up all the countless different things.who have given up all the countless different things.

Fully understanding craving, they are free of defilements,Fully understanding craving, they are free of defilements,those people, I say, have crossed the flood.”those people, I say, have crossed the flood.”“I rejoice in the words of the great seer!“I rejoice in the words of the great seer!

You have expounded non-attachment well, Gotama.You have expounded non-attachment well, Gotama.There are those here who have given up allThere are those here who have given up allthat is seen, heard, and thought, and precepts and vows,that is seen, heard, and thought, and precepts and vows,

who have given up all the countless different things.who have given up all the countless different things.Fully understanding craving, they are free of defilements,Fully understanding craving, they are free of defilements,those people, I agree, have crossed the flood.”those people, I agree, have crossed the flood.”