长部第 12 经（Sujato 英译）第 1 阅读页 · With Lohicca · 1/2

Long Discourses 12Long Discourses 12With LohiccaWith Lohicca

So I have heard.So I have heard.At one time the Buddha was wandering in the land of the Kosalans together with a large Saṅgha of five hundred mendicants when he arrived at Sālavatikā.At one time the Buddha was wandering in the land of the Kosalans together with a large Saṅgha of five hundred mendicants when he arrived at Sālavatikā.Now at that time the brahmin Lohicca was living in Sālavatikā. It was a crown property given by King Pasenadi of Kosala, teeming with living creatures, full of hay, wood, water, and grain, a royal park endowed to a brahmin.Now at that time the brahmin Lohicca was living in Sālavatikā. It was a crown property given by King Pasenadi of Kosala, teeming with living creatures, full of hay, wood, water, and grain, a royal park endowed to a brahmin.

Now at that time Lohicca had the following harmful misconception:Now at that time Lohicca had the following harmful misconception:“Should an ascetic or brahmin achieve some skillful quality, they ought not inform anyone else. For what can one person do for another?“Should an ascetic or brahmin achieve some skillful quality, they ought not inform anyone else. For what can one person do for another?Suppose someone cut off an old bond, only to create another new bond.Suppose someone cut off an old bond, only to create another new bond.

That’s the consequence of such a wicked, greedy deed, I say. For what can one person do for another?”That’s the consequence of such a wicked, greedy deed, I say. For what can one person do for another?”Lohicca heard:Lohicca heard:“It seems the ascetic Gotama—a Sakyan, gone forth from a Sakyan family—has arrived at Sālavatikā, together with a large Saṅgha of five hundred mendicants.“It seems the ascetic Gotama—a Sakyan, gone forth from a Sakyan family—has arrived at Sālavatikā, together with a large Saṅgha of five hundred mendicants.

He has this good reputation:He has this good reputation:‘That Blessed One is perfected, a fully awakened Buddha, accomplished in knowledge and conduct, holy, knower of the world, supreme guide for those fit for training, teacher of gods and humans, awakened, blessed.’‘That Blessed One is perfected, a fully awakened Buddha, accomplished in knowledge and conduct, holy, knower of the world, supreme guide for those fit for training, teacher of gods and humans, awakened, blessed.’He has realized with his own insight this world—with its gods, Māras, and divinities, this population with its ascetics and brahmins, gods and humans—and he makes it known to others.He has realized with his own insight this world—with its gods, Māras, and divinities, this population with its ascetics and brahmins, gods and humans—and he makes it known to others.

He teaches Dhamma that’s good in the beginning, good in the middle, and good in the end, meaningful and well-phrased. And he reveals a spiritual practice that’s entirely full and pure.He teaches Dhamma that’s good in the beginning, good in the middle, and good in the end, meaningful and well-phrased. And he reveals a spiritual practice that’s entirely full and pure.It’s good to see such perfected ones.”It’s good to see such perfected ones.”Then Lohicca addressed his barber Rosika,Then Lohicca addressed his barber Rosika,

“Here, dear Rosika, go to the ascetic Gotama and in my name bow with your head to his feet. Ask him if he is healthy and well, nimble, strong, and living comfortably.“Here, dear Rosika, go to the ascetic Gotama and in my name bow with your head to his feet. Ask him if he is healthy and well, nimble, strong, and living comfortably.And then ask him whether he,And then ask him whether he,together with the mendicant Saṅgha, would please accept tomorrow’s meal from the brahmin Lohicca.”together with the mendicant Saṅgha, would please accept tomorrow’s meal from the brahmin Lohicca.”

“Yes, worthy sir,” Rosika replied. He did as he was asked, and“Yes, worthy sir,” Rosika replied. He did as he was asked, andthe Buddha consented with silence.the Buddha consented with silence.Then, knowing that the Buddha had consented, Rosika rose from his seat, went to Lohicca, and said to him,Then, knowing that the Buddha had consented, Rosika rose from his seat, went to Lohicca, and said to him,

“I gave the Buddha your message,“I gave the Buddha your message,and he accepted.”and he accepted.”And when the night had passed Lohicca had delicious fresh and cooked foods prepared in his own home. Then he had the Buddha informed of the time, saying,And when the night had passed Lohicca had delicious fresh and cooked foods prepared in his own home. Then he had the Buddha informed of the time, saying,

“Here, dear Rosika, go to the ascetic Gotama and announce the time, saying:“Here, dear Rosika, go to the ascetic Gotama and announce the time, saying:‘It’s time, worthy Gotama, the meal is ready.’”‘It’s time, worthy Gotama, the meal is ready.’”“Yes, worthy sir,” Rosika replied. He did as he was asked.“Yes, worthy sir,” Rosika replied. He did as he was asked.

Then the Buddha robed up in the morning and, taking his bowl and robe, went to Sālavatikā together with the Saṅgha of mendicants.Then the Buddha robed up in the morning and, taking his bowl and robe, went to Sālavatikā together with the Saṅgha of mendicants.Now, Rosika was following behind the Buddha,Now, Rosika was following behind the Buddha,and told him of Lohicca’s views, adding,and told him of Lohicca’s views, adding,

“Sir, please dissuade him from that harmful misconception.”“Sir, please dissuade him from that harmful misconception.”“Hopefully that’ll happen, Rosika, hopefully that’ll happen.”“Hopefully that’ll happen, Rosika, hopefully that’ll happen.”Then the Buddha approached Lohicca’s home, where he sat down on the seat spread out.Then the Buddha approached Lohicca’s home, where he sat down on the seat spread out.

Then Lohicca served and satisfied the mendicant Saṅgha headed by the Buddha with his own hands with delicious fresh and cooked foods.Then Lohicca served and satisfied the mendicant Saṅgha headed by the Buddha with his own hands with delicious fresh and cooked foods.

1. Questioning Lohicca1. Questioning Lohicca

When the Buddha had eaten and washed his hand and bowl, Lohicca took a low seat and sat to one side.When the Buddha had eaten and washed his hand and bowl, Lohicca took a low seat and sat to one side.The Buddha said to him,The Buddha said to him,“Is it really true, Lohicca, that you have such a harmful misconception:“Is it really true, Lohicca, that you have such a harmful misconception:

‘Should an ascetic or brahmin achieve some skillful quality, they ought not inform anyone else. For what can one person do for another?‘Should an ascetic or brahmin achieve some skillful quality, they ought not inform anyone else. For what can one person do for another?Suppose someone cut off an old bond, only to create another new bond.Suppose someone cut off an old bond, only to create another new bond.That’s the consequence of such a wicked, greedy deed, I say. For what can one person do for another?’”That’s the consequence of such a wicked, greedy deed, I say. For what can one person do for another?’”

“Yes, worthy Gotama.”“Yes, worthy Gotama.”“What do you think, Lohicca?“What do you think, Lohicca?Do you reside in Sālavatikā?”Do you reside in Sālavatikā?”

“Yes, worthy Gotama.”“Yes, worthy Gotama.”“Lohicca, suppose someone were to say:“Lohicca, suppose someone were to say:‘The brahmin Lohicca resides in Sālavatikā.‘The brahmin Lohicca resides in Sālavatikā.

He alone should enjoy the revenues produced in Sālavatikā and not share them with anyone else.’He alone should enjoy the revenues produced in Sālavatikā and not share them with anyone else.’Would the one who spoke like that make it difficult for those whose living depends on you or not?”Would the one who spoke like that make it difficult for those whose living depends on you or not?”“They would, worthy Gotama.”“They would, worthy Gotama.”

“But is someone who creates difficulties for others acting kindly or unkindly?”“But is someone who creates difficulties for others acting kindly or unkindly?”“Unkindly, sir.”“Unkindly, sir.”“But does an unkind person have love in their heart or hostility?”“But does an unkind person have love in their heart or hostility?”

“Hostility, sir.”“Hostility, sir.”“And when the heart is full of hostility, is there right view or wrong view?”“And when the heart is full of hostility, is there right view or wrong view?”“Wrong view, worthy Gotama.”“Wrong view, worthy Gotama.”

“An individual with wrong view is reborn in one of two places, I say:“An individual with wrong view is reborn in one of two places, I say:hell or the animal realm.hell or the animal realm.What do you think, Lohicca?What do you think, Lohicca?

Does King Pasenadi reign over Kāsi and Kosala?”Does King Pasenadi reign over Kāsi and Kosala?”“Yes, worthy Gotama.”“Yes, worthy Gotama.”“Lohicca, suppose someone were to say:“Lohicca, suppose someone were to say:

‘King Pasenadi reigns over Kāsi and Kosala.‘King Pasenadi reigns over Kāsi and Kosala.He alone should enjoy the revenues produced in Kāsi and Kosala and not share them with anyone else.’He alone should enjoy the revenues produced in Kāsi and Kosala and not share them with anyone else.’Would the one who spoke like that make it difficult for yourself and others whose living depends on King Pasenadi or not?”Would the one who spoke like that make it difficult for yourself and others whose living depends on King Pasenadi or not?”

“They would, worthy Gotama.”“They would, worthy Gotama.”“But is someone who creates difficulties for others acting kindly or unkindly?”“But is someone who creates difficulties for others acting kindly or unkindly?”“Unkindly, sir.”“Unkindly, sir.”

“But does an unkind person have love in their heart or hostility?”“But does an unkind person have love in their heart or hostility?”“Hostility, sir.”“Hostility, sir.”“And when the heart is full of hostility, is there right view or wrong view?”“And when the heart is full of hostility, is there right view or wrong view?”

“Wrong view, worthy Gotama.”“Wrong view, worthy Gotama.”“An individual with wrong view is reborn in one of two places, I say:“An individual with wrong view is reborn in one of two places, I say:hell or the animal realm.hell or the animal realm.

So it seems, Lohicca, that should someone say such a thing either of Lohicca or of King Pasenadi,So it seems, Lohicca, that should someone say such a thing either of Lohicca or of King Pasenadi,that is wrong view.that is wrong view.In the same way, suppose someone were to say:In the same way, suppose someone were to say:

‘Should an ascetic or brahmin achieve some skillful quality, they ought not inform anyone else. For what can one person do for another?‘Should an ascetic or brahmin achieve some skillful quality, they ought not inform anyone else. For what can one person do for another?Suppose someone cut off an old bond, only to create another new bond.Suppose someone cut off an old bond, only to create another new bond.That’s the consequence of such a wicked, greedy deed, I say. For what can one person do for another?’That’s the consequence of such a wicked, greedy deed, I say. For what can one person do for another?’

Now, there are gentlemen who, relying on the teaching and training proclaimed by the Realized One, achieve a high distinction such as the following: they realize the fruit of stream-entry, the fruit of once-return, the fruit of non-return, or perfection. And in addition, there are those who ripen the seeds for rebirth in a heavenly state. The person who spoke like that makes it difficult for them. They’re acting unkindly, their heart is full of hostility, and they have wrong view.Now, there are gentlemen who, relying on the teaching and training proclaimed by the Realized One, achieve a high distinction such as the following: they realize the fruit of stream-entry, the fruit of once-return, the fruit of non-return, or perfection. And in addition, there are those who ripen the seeds for rebirth in a heavenly state. The person who spoke like that makes it difficult for them. They’re acting unkindly, their heart is full of hostility, and they have wrong view.

An individual with wrong view is reborn in one of two places, I say:An individual with wrong view is reborn in one of two places, I say:hell or the animal realm.hell or the animal realm.

2. Three Teachers Who Deserve to Be Reprimanded2. Three Teachers Who Deserve to Be Reprimanded

Lohicca, there are three kinds of teachers in the world who deserve to be reprimanded.Lohicca, there are three kinds of teachers in the world who deserve to be reprimanded.When someone reprimands such teachers, the reprimand is true, correct, legitimate, and blameless.When someone reprimands such teachers, the reprimand is true, correct, legitimate, and blameless.What three?What three?

Firstly, take a teacher who has not reached the goal of the ascetic life for which they went forth from the lay life to homelessness.Firstly, take a teacher who has not reached the goal of the ascetic life for which they went forth from the lay life to homelessness.They teach their disciples:They teach their disciples:‘This is for your welfare. This is for your happiness.’‘This is for your welfare. This is for your happiness.’

But their disciples don’t want to listen. They don’t actively listen or try to understand. They proceed having turned away from the teacher’s instruction.But their disciples don’t want to listen. They don’t actively listen or try to understand. They proceed having turned away from the teacher’s instruction.That teacher deserves to be reprimanded:That teacher deserves to be reprimanded:‘Venerable, you haven’t reached the goal of the ascetic life; and when you teach disciples‘Venerable, you haven’t reached the goal of the ascetic life; and when you teach disciples

they proceed having turned away from the teacher’s instruction.they proceed having turned away from the teacher’s instruction.It’s like a man who makes advances on a woman though she pulls away, or embraces her though she turns her back.It’s like a man who makes advances on a woman though she pulls away, or embraces her though she turns her back.That’s the consequence of such a wicked, greedy deed, I say. For what can one do for another?’That’s the consequence of such a wicked, greedy deed, I say. For what can one do for another?’

This is the first kind of teacher who deserves to be reprimanded.This is the first kind of teacher who deserves to be reprimanded.Furthermore, take a teacher who has not reached the goal of the ascetic life for which they went forth from the lay life to homelessness.Furthermore, take a teacher who has not reached the goal of the ascetic life for which they went forth from the lay life to homelessness.They teach their disciples:They teach their disciples:

‘This is for your welfare. This is for your happiness.’‘This is for your welfare. This is for your happiness.’Their disciples do want to listen. They actively listen and try to understand. They don’t proceed having turned away from the teacher’s instruction.Their disciples do want to listen. They actively listen and try to understand. They don’t proceed having turned away from the teacher’s instruction.That teacher deserves to be reprimanded:That teacher deserves to be reprimanded:

‘Venerable, you haven’t reached the goal of the ascetic life; and when you teach disciples‘Venerable, you haven’t reached the goal of the ascetic life; and when you teach disciplesthey don’t proceed having turned away from the teacher’s instruction.they don’t proceed having turned away from the teacher’s instruction.It’s like someone who abandons their own field and presumes to weed someone else’s field. That’s the consequence of such a wicked, greedy deed, I say. For what can one do for another?’It’s like someone who abandons their own field and presumes to weed someone else’s field. That’s the consequence of such a wicked, greedy deed, I say. For what can one do for another?’

This is the second kind of teacher who deserves to be reprimanded.This is the second kind of teacher who deserves to be reprimanded.Furthermore, take a teacher who has reached the goal of the ascetic life for which they went forth from the lay life to homelessness.Furthermore, take a teacher who has reached the goal of the ascetic life for which they went forth from the lay life to homelessness.They teach their disciples:They teach their disciples:

‘This is for your welfare. This is for your happiness.’‘This is for your welfare. This is for your happiness.’But their disciples don’t want to listen. They don’t actively listen or try to understand. They proceed having turned away from the teacher’s instruction.But their disciples don’t want to listen. They don’t actively listen or try to understand. They proceed having turned away from the teacher’s instruction.That teacher deserves to be reprimanded:That teacher deserves to be reprimanded:

‘Venerable, you have reached the goal of the ascetic life; yet when you teach disciples‘Venerable, you have reached the goal of the ascetic life; yet when you teach disciplesthey proceed having turned away from the teacher’s instruction.they proceed having turned away from the teacher’s instruction.Suppose someone cut off an old bond, only to create another new bond.Suppose someone cut off an old bond, only to create another new bond.

That’s the consequence of such a wicked, greedy deed, I say. For what can one person do for another?’That’s the consequence of such a wicked, greedy deed, I say. For what can one person do for another?’This is the third kind of teacher who deserves to be reprimanded.This is the third kind of teacher who deserves to be reprimanded.These are the three kinds of teachers in the world who deserve to be reprimanded.These are the three kinds of teachers in the world who deserve to be reprimanded.

When someone reprimands such teachers, the reprimand is true, correct, legitimate, and blameless.”When someone reprimands such teachers, the reprimand is true, correct, legitimate, and blameless.”