增支部第 4 集（Sujato 英译）第 193 阅读页 · AN4.193 · With Bhaddiya

Numbered Discourses 4.193Numbered Discourses 4.19320. The Great Chapter20. The Great Chapter

With BhaddiyaWith BhaddiyaAt one time the Buddha was staying near Vesālī, at the Great Wood, in the hall with the peaked roof.At one time the Buddha was staying near Vesālī, at the Great Wood, in the hall with the peaked roof.Then Bhaddiya the Licchavi went up to the Buddha, bowed, sat down to one side, and said to him:Then Bhaddiya the Licchavi went up to the Buddha, bowed, sat down to one side, and said to him:

“Sir, I have heard this:“Sir, I have heard this:‘The ascetic Gotama is deceitful. He knows a conversion trick, and uses it to convert the disciples of those of other religions.’‘The ascetic Gotama is deceitful. He knows a conversion trick, and uses it to convert the disciples of those of other religions.’I trust those who say this repeat what the Buddha has said, and do not misrepresent him with an untruth? Is their explanation in line with the teaching? Are there any legitimate grounds for rebuttal and criticism?”I trust those who say this repeat what the Buddha has said, and do not misrepresent him with an untruth? Is their explanation in line with the teaching? Are there any legitimate grounds for rebuttal and criticism?”

“Please, Bhaddiya, don’t go by oral transmission, don’t go by lineage, don’t go by testament, don’t go by canonical authority, don’t rely on logic, don’t rely on inference, don’t go by reasoned train of thought, don’t go by the acceptance of a view after deliberation, don’t go by the appearance of competence, and don’t think ‘The ascetic is our respected teacher.’“Please, Bhaddiya, don’t go by oral transmission, don’t go by lineage, don’t go by testament, don’t go by canonical authority, don’t rely on logic, don’t rely on inference, don’t go by reasoned train of thought, don’t go by the acceptance of a view after deliberation, don’t go by the appearance of competence, and don’t think ‘The ascetic is our respected teacher.’

But when you know for yourselves:But when you know for yourselves:‘These things are unskillful, blameworthy, criticized by sensible people, and when you undertake them, they lead to harm and suffering’, then you should give them up.‘These things are unskillful, blameworthy, criticized by sensible people, and when you undertake them, they lead to harm and suffering’, then you should give them up.What do you think, Bhaddiya?What do you think, Bhaddiya?

Does greed come up in a person for their welfare or harm?”Does greed come up in a person for their welfare or harm?”“Harm, sir.”“Harm, sir.”“A greedy individual, overcome by greed, kills living creatures, steals, commits adultery, lies, and encourages others to do the same. Is that for their lasting harm and suffering?”“A greedy individual, overcome by greed, kills living creatures, steals, commits adultery, lies, and encourages others to do the same. Is that for their lasting harm and suffering?”

“Yes, sir.”“Yes, sir.”“What do you think, Bhaddiya?“What do you think, Bhaddiya?Does hate … or delusion … or aggression come up in a person for their welfare or harm?”Does hate … or delusion … or aggression come up in a person for their welfare or harm?”

“Harm, sir.”“Harm, sir.”“An aggressive individual kills living creatures, steals, commits adultery, lies, and encourages others to do the same. Is that for their lasting harm and suffering?”“An aggressive individual kills living creatures, steals, commits adultery, lies, and encourages others to do the same. Is that for their lasting harm and suffering?”“Yes, sir.”“Yes, sir.”

“What do you think, Bhaddiya, are these things skillful or unskillful?”“What do you think, Bhaddiya, are these things skillful or unskillful?”“Unskillful, sir.”“Unskillful, sir.”“Blameworthy or blameless?”“Blameworthy or blameless?”

“Blameworthy, sir.”“Blameworthy, sir.”“Criticized or praised by sensible people?”“Criticized or praised by sensible people?”“Criticized by sensible people, sir.”“Criticized by sensible people, sir.”

“When you undertake them, do they lead to harm and suffering, or not?“When you undertake them, do they lead to harm and suffering, or not?Or how do you see this?”Or how do you see this?”“When you undertake them, they lead to harm and suffering.“When you undertake them, they lead to harm and suffering.

That’s how we see it.”That’s how we see it.”“So, Bhaddiya, when we said:“So, Bhaddiya, when we said:‘Please, Bhaddiya, don’t go by oral transmission, don’t go by lineage, don’t go by testament, don’t go by canonical authority, don’t rely on logic, don’t rely on inference, don’t go by reasoned train of thought, don’t go by the acceptance of a view after deliberation, don’t go by the appearance of competence, and don’t think “The ascetic is our respected teacher.”‘Please, Bhaddiya, don’t go by oral transmission, don’t go by lineage, don’t go by testament, don’t go by canonical authority, don’t rely on logic, don’t rely on inference, don’t go by reasoned train of thought, don’t go by the acceptance of a view after deliberation, don’t go by the appearance of competence, and don’t think “The ascetic is our respected teacher.”

But when you know for yourselves:But when you know for yourselves:“These things are unskillful, blameworthy, criticized by sensible people, and when you undertake them, they lead to harm and suffering”, then you should give them up.’“These things are unskillful, blameworthy, criticized by sensible people, and when you undertake them, they lead to harm and suffering”, then you should give them up.’That’s what I said, and this is why I said it.That’s what I said, and this is why I said it.

Please, Bhaddiya, don’t rely on oral transmission …Please, Bhaddiya, don’t rely on oral transmission …But when you know for yourselves:But when you know for yourselves:‘These things are skillful, blameless, praised by sensible people, and when you undertake them, they lead to welfare and happiness’, then you should acquire them and keep them.‘These things are skillful, blameless, praised by sensible people, and when you undertake them, they lead to welfare and happiness’, then you should acquire them and keep them.

What do you think, Bhaddiya?What do you think, Bhaddiya?Does contentment … love … understanding … benevolence come up in a person for their welfare or harm?”Does contentment … love … understanding … benevolence come up in a person for their welfare or harm?”“Welfare, sir.”“Welfare, sir.”

“An individual who is benevolent—not overcome by aggression—doesn’t kill living creatures, steal, commit adultery, lie, or encourage others to do the same. Is that for their lasting welfare and happiness?”“An individual who is benevolent—not overcome by aggression—doesn’t kill living creatures, steal, commit adultery, lie, or encourage others to do the same. Is that for their lasting welfare and happiness?”“Yes, sir.”“Yes, sir.”“What do you think, Bhaddiya, are these things skillful or unskillful?”“What do you think, Bhaddiya, are these things skillful or unskillful?”

“Skillful, sir.”“Skillful, sir.”“Blameworthy or blameless?”“Blameworthy or blameless?”“Blameless, sir.”“Blameless, sir.”

“Criticized or praised by sensible people?”“Criticized or praised by sensible people?”“Praised by sensible people, sir.”“Praised by sensible people, sir.”“When you undertake them, do they lead to welfare and happiness, or not?“When you undertake them, do they lead to welfare and happiness, or not?

Or how do you see this?”Or how do you see this?”“When you undertake them, they lead to welfare and happiness.“When you undertake them, they lead to welfare and happiness.That’s how we see it.”That’s how we see it.”

“So, Bhaddiya, when we said:“So, Bhaddiya, when we said:‘Please, Bhaddiya, don’t go by oral transmission, don’t go by lineage, don’t go by testament, don’t go by canonical authority, don’t rely on logic, don’t rely on inference, don’t go by reasoned train of thought, don’t go by the acceptance of a view after deliberation, don’t go by the appearance of competence, and don’t think “The ascetic is our respected teacher.”‘Please, Bhaddiya, don’t go by oral transmission, don’t go by lineage, don’t go by testament, don’t go by canonical authority, don’t rely on logic, don’t rely on inference, don’t go by reasoned train of thought, don’t go by the acceptance of a view after deliberation, don’t go by the appearance of competence, and don’t think “The ascetic is our respected teacher.”

But when you know for yourselves:But when you know for yourselves:“These things are skillful, blameless, praised by sensible people, and when you undertake them, they lead to welfare and happiness”, then you should acquire them and keep them.’“These things are skillful, blameless, praised by sensible people, and when you undertake them, they lead to welfare and happiness”, then you should acquire them and keep them.’That’s what I said, and this is why I said it.That’s what I said, and this is why I said it.

The good and true persons in the world encourage their disciples:The good and true persons in the world encourage their disciples:‘Please, my man, live rid of greed.‘Please, my man, live rid of greed.Then you won’t act out of greed by way of body, speech, or mind.Then you won’t act out of greed by way of body, speech, or mind.

Live rid of hate … delusion … aggression.Live rid of hate … delusion … aggression.Then you won’t act out of hate … delusion … aggression by way of body, speech, or mind.”Then you won’t act out of hate … delusion … aggression by way of body, speech, or mind.”When he said this, Bhaddiya the Licchavi said to the Buddha,When he said this, Bhaddiya the Licchavi said to the Buddha,

“Excellent, sir! … From this day forth, may the Buddha remember me as a lay follower who has gone for refuge for life.”“Excellent, sir! … From this day forth, may the Buddha remember me as a lay follower who has gone for refuge for life.”“Well, Bhaddiya, did I say to you:“Well, Bhaddiya, did I say to you:‘Please, Bhaddiya, be my disciple,‘Please, Bhaddiya, be my disciple,

and I will be your teacher’?”and I will be your teacher’?”“No, sir.”“No, sir.”“Though I state and assert this, certain ascetics and brahmins misrepresent me with the incorrect, hollow, false, untruthful claim:“Though I state and assert this, certain ascetics and brahmins misrepresent me with the incorrect, hollow, false, untruthful claim:

‘The ascetic Gotama is deceitful. He knows a conversion trick, and uses it to convert the disciples of those of other religions.’”‘The ascetic Gotama is deceitful. He knows a conversion trick, and uses it to convert the disciples of those of other religions.’”“Sir, this conversion trick is excellent.“Sir, this conversion trick is excellent.This conversion trick is lovely!This conversion trick is lovely!

If my loved ones—relatives and kin—were to be converted by this, it would be for their lasting welfare and happiness.If my loved ones—relatives and kin—were to be converted by this, it would be for their lasting welfare and happiness.If all the aristocrats, brahmins, peasants, and menials were to be converted by this, it would be for their lasting welfare and happiness.”If all the aristocrats, brahmins, peasants, and menials were to be converted by this, it would be for their lasting welfare and happiness.”“That’s so true, Bhaddiya! That’s so true, Bhaddiya!“That’s so true, Bhaddiya! That’s so true, Bhaddiya!

If all the aristocrats, brahmins, peasants, and menials were to be converted by this, it would be for their lasting welfare and happiness.If all the aristocrats, brahmins, peasants, and menials were to be converted by this, it would be for their lasting welfare and happiness.If the whole world—with its gods, Māras, and divinities, this population with its ascetics and brahmins, gods and humans—were to be converted by this, for giving up unskillful qualities and embracing skillful qualities, it would be for their lasting welfare and happiness.If the whole world—with its gods, Māras, and divinities, this population with its ascetics and brahmins, gods and humans—were to be converted by this, for giving up unskillful qualities and embracing skillful qualities, it would be for their lasting welfare and happiness.

If these great sal trees were to be converted by this, for giving up unskillful qualities and embracing skillful qualities, it would be for their lasting welfare and happiness—if they were sentient.If these great sal trees were to be converted by this, for giving up unskillful qualities and embracing skillful qualities, it would be for their lasting welfare and happiness—if they were sentient.How much more then a human being!”How much more then a human being!”